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tuumbaq

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There might be something to that. It looked like his suspension was working better than anybody else's. TWR can keep their little bike heating huts.
lol, I can guarantee you that Trek has done multiple data acquisition with Fox, the heating hut and wind tunnel testing is simply way beyond simple suspension testing...just saying.

Nevertheless, its cool do see Remi on the top step riding BOS suspension !

What happened to Aaron, I was really hoping he'd show us what he can really do now ?
 

FlipFantasia

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My thoughts exactly. I was pissed at first but when I figured out it was only 20 mins it gave me time to take a dump and get another cup of coffee. I purposely didn't check this forum, live timing or any other sites so when the broadcast came back on it was still suspenseful.
exactly, people are so f'ing spoilt these days and self-entitled....remember when you had to wait 3 months for the next issue of MBA to come out and find out what happened?
 
As i understand it, data acqusition and suspension tuning is done at the start of the season to get a personalized base setting and small adjustments are made based on tracks and rider feel during the season.

Could this be the start of data acquisition at EVERY track to obtain the most efficient damper settings? I have to imagine save for a few very engineering minded riders, personal "feel" can be inaccurate and more often the opposite of whats needed to match the track terrain.
 

SuboptimusPrime

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He said he slid off track and came to a stop....he will sort himself out. Gee went multiple years without a win and now look at him. In the meantime it's great to see things mixed up on the podium.
 

gemini2k

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Jul 31, 2005
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Fact: Remi looked HUNGRY during his ride, Gwin looked like he was cruising. He looked far less aggressive than any of the other top 5 guys IMO. Maybe he's just washed up, plus having serious problems with the bike.
 

Bikael Molton

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Jun 9, 2003
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thanks to redbull for offering this service for free! great coverage as always and the ~20 minute break wasn't the end of the world.
Exactly.

and my 4.5 year old laptop with cheap cable service has no trouble with RedBull streaming. Too bad about the injury delay, but thems the breaks.
 

PsyCro

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Apr 10, 2011
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imHo.. Gwin said it himself, the bike was great for him on bmx type tracks in the US. Put that super low pivot on a rough european track and there you have it.. hopefully the inevitable demise of the big S's over marketed FSR design!!
 

toodles

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Aug 24, 2004
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Just watched the replay (stupid alarm clock fail for live feed). Red Bull has done a great job with cameras and feed for a free service. Awesome runs by Remi and Bruni. Good to see the young guns coming through.
 

epic

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Sep 15, 2008
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That was an awesome run by Remi, MSA next, isn't that the last place Hill won at? I may need to plan a road trip. Anyone been to MSA? Is it easy to park a small camper somewhere like I did last year at Windham?
MSA is awesome. There is a little camper city - not right at the bottom, but in walking distance.
 

W4S

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Mar 2, 2004
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oh good. Also, the womens field is boring. 30 second gap in the top 10? Anybody know what needs to change to develop the sport? I'd be more interested in watching if there were 6-7 people capable of being on top on any given race, rather then 1-2, and sometimes a 3rd if they're having a great day.
womens racing sucks because there's only 2 women who can actually race the track, UCI needs to be more like FIS and have a separate course for women.
 
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epic

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womens racing sucks because there's only 2 women who can actually race the track, UCI needs to be more like FIS and have a separate course for women.
I felt bad for Pompon, it looked like she caught two people. I wonder how many seconds that set her back. Of course one way to solve that problem is to qualify better.

What I'd like to know is this, is Rach one of the best of all time? Was the closer racing in years past because she was going slower and now she has sped up or is the rest of the pack going slower. Anne-Caro has the most palmares for sure, but I wonder as a percentage of the men's times who is faster.
 

trib

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I recall reading somewhere that Anne-Caro gauged her run a success if she finished within 30secs of the winning man.

Rachel was 34 seconds off the winning time.

Now days the men are increasingly competitive and professional I believe. Nico, Palmer, Peat, Rockwell etc had some very competitive years but the sport is faster now I believe it's harder for the women to fit inside that 30 second boundary...
 

bholwell

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Could this be the start of data acquisition at EVERY track to obtain the most efficient damper settings? I have to imagine save for a few very engineering minded riders, personal "feel" can be inaccurate and more often the opposite of whats needed to match the track terrain.
Perhaps not only that, but how about automatic adjusting suspension for different parts of the track? It could easily be done with servos and an odometer to tell the cpu the bike's location on the track.
 

trib

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Perhaps not only that, but how about automatic adjusting suspension for different parts of the track? It could easily be done with servos and an odometer to tell the cpu the bike's location on the track.
oh god please no
 

bholwell

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Mar 19, 2011
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oh god please no
Haha! As a rider, this doesn't appeal to me one bit. But as an engineer... Imagine, having a heavy pedaling platform or even lockout on the smooth portions of the track where they're hammering, wide open settings on the rough portions... This would give the rider a real advantage.
 

'size

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Haha! As a rider, this doesn't appeal to me one bit. But as an engineer... Imagine, having a heavy pedaling platform or even lockout on the smooth portions of the track where they're hammering, wide open settings on the rough portions... This would give the rider a real advantage.
lapierre and nico agree with this, albeit not location based but terrain based.
 

MMike

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I recall reading somewhere that Anne-Caro gauged her run a success if she finished within 30secs of the winning man.

Rachel was 34 seconds off the winning time.

Now days the men are increasingly competitive and professional I believe. Nico, Palmer, Peat, Rockwell etc had some very competitive years but the sport is faster now I believe it's harder for the women to fit inside that 30 second boundary...
Harkening back to the days of Anne-Caro and when-Peat-could not-catch-Voulloz-for-anything.......

1) the fact that Redbull is covering this as well as they do is AWESOME. 10 years ago when OLN was the ONLY way to see any of this stuff......uh...things are better now.

2) I won't purport to KNOW for sure, but I have it of pretty good authority, that it was Vouilloz that REALLY forced people to step up their game with respect to training. DH had been the..."dirtbag, pot head, he who had the biggest balls shall win" game. Nico, who was basically unbeatable, and had unmatched skill, actually trained like an athlete. Again, I may be wrong....but going back to Steve Peat (on a GT), wanting SO badly to catch Nico, finally had to give up the "pint at the top, and pint at the bottom" and really started to train. And I think Nico retired..."allowing" Peat to finally win stuff regularly.

Giove, was never able to REALLY touch A-C Chausson. Marla Streb and Leigh Donavan, couldn't touch A-C either. Rachel now seems to be the heir apparent in the women's field. What's weird is that there is a good 10 year hole between A-C Chauson and Rachel Atherton. What was actually going on in that period?
 

Beef Supreme

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Giove, was never able to REALLY touch A-C Chausson. Marla Streb and Leigh Donavan, couldn't touch A-C either. Rachel now seems to be the heir apparent in the women's field. What's weird is that there is a good 10 year hole between A-C Chauson and Rachel Atherton. What was actually going on in that period?
I would like to see some extra curricular enduro action between Rachel and AC. Every one else is doing it.

Edit: I'll be cheering for T-Mo cause she is cool as sh!t
 

Sandro

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Could this be the start of data acquisition at EVERY track to obtain the most efficient damper settings? I have to imagine save for a few very engineering minded riders, personal "feel" can be inaccurate and more often the opposite of whats needed to match the track terrain.
Sunn and a few other teams did plenty of that in the nineties.
 

toodles

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Perhaps not only that, but how about automatic adjusting suspension for different parts of the track? It could easily be done with servos and an odometer to tell the cpu the bike's location on the track.
I'm 90% sure that was a feature developed using piezo-valves and incorporated into both a K2 fork and some kinda Cannondale wunderbike before the UCI killed the use of computing gear on DH bikes for race runs.

I recall reading somewhere that Anne-Caro gauged her run a success if she finished within 30secs of the winning man.

Rachel was 34 seconds off the winning time..
There was a notorious article about the state of women's DH racing that got put to rest pretty quickly when AC put in a time that would have been top 10 mens at a NORBA race many moons ago.
 

DH Dad

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Giove, was never able to REALLY touch A-C Chausson. Marla Streb and Leigh Donavan, couldn't touch A-C either. Rachel now seems to be the heir apparent in the women's field. What's weird is that there is a good 10 year hole between A-C Chauson and Rachel Atherton. What was actually going on in that period?
I recall A-C grew up racing BMX against her older brothers as there weren't any female races at the time. Rachel likely grew up riding with her brothers. Seems to be the formula for success in this sport. Why there wasn't anyone dominating between the two same thing goes for men's field too, we don't always have someone dominating, after Nico retired there was great competition for many years until Mr. Hill arrived. Peat and Minaar were very consistent being at the top but I wouldn't say either dominated. Also, Rachel is awesome and not to take anything away from her accomplishments but A-C has 13 Rainbow jerseys to her name plus 5 consecutive years of World Cup overall titles and Olympic Gold for BMX, Rachel has a little catching up to do before you throw them in the same category. I also think the women's field was bigger back when A-C raced but I don't know that for sure.
 
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Mo(n)arch

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Sick racing. Great to see a new face on the topstep, even I am cheering for Sam.

Congrats to the frenchmen!

First DH race won by an air shock?
And on the gnarliest track too?
 
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livanh

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I recall A-C grew up racing BMX against her older brothers as there weren't any female races at the time. Rachel likely grew up riding with her brothers. Seems to be the formula for success in this sport. Why there wasn't anyone dominating between the two same thing goes for men's field too, we don't always have someone dominating, after Nico retired there was great competition for many years until Mr. Hill arrived. Peat and Minaar were very consistent being at the top but I wouldn't say either dominated. Also, Rachel is awesome and not to take anything away from her accomplishments but A-C has 13 Rainbow jerseys to her name plus 5 consecutive years of World Cup overall titles and Olympic Gold for BMX, Rachel has a little catching up to do before you throw them in the same category. I also think the women's field was bigger back when A-C raced but I don't know that for sure.
Having watched AC and TMO at a few Megas, i think AC could still smoke most of them. Just seeing how AC rides the Glacier ist just way faster and more composed than any other girl dares. In fact shes still so fast she comes relaxed into the finish areas, because shes not threatened at all during Race/Qualy.
 

Gary

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Aug 27, 2002
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Ha ha.. Love it when people still fall for Peaty's Stella campaign.. The guy came from winning nationals (XC and DH) on a fully rigid Kona and has trained hard his entire career..
The tears when he lost to Nico were not pity sobs from an alchy but from all those years of hard work never being quite enough.
 

slyfink

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It just dawned on me that Remi won on Gee's old bike... despite his new wunderbike and all the hype. Not that it means anything, caus' obviously it's not about the bike, but it's interesting to note anyways...
 

DH Dad

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It just dawned on me that Remi won on Gee's old bike... despite his new wunderbike and all the hype. Not that it means anything, caus' obviously it's not about the bike, but it's interesting to note anyways...
Gee didn't ride all that slow! He did take 2nd which is never bad at a WC. Not quite the same as Gwin taking 20th. Remember the 2 years of Gwin domination he came in 2nd once or twice;)
 

atrokz

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I think the data acquisition is going to start popping up more and more at WC events. Looked like a great way to dial in the bike per course.

Awesome run from Remi. Good podium actually, and glad to see Sam back at medal level as well.
 

slyfink

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fer gawds sakes... you guys didn't pick up on the sarcasm there... do you need rolleyes to spell it out for you?!?! sheesh.

Yeah, I'd say it's still a stellar result for Gee, and in no way signals the end of his domination this year. He still beat all the other regular podium contenders and UCI point-leaders that are in the hunt for the overall. Remi's run was simply amazing. In fact, I think I'll go watch it again.