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Sandwich

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Considering a guide for a hardtail with ISCG and direct FD mounts. If I wanted to run a bashguard for east coast rox, what are my options? Most things are either a tiny upper guide, bash, and pulley wheel, or just upper guide, or all three. I'm thinking an upper guide, like an XCX, and some sort of bash plate. Does anybody make anything like that? Do i just have to cut the pulley off an LG1?
 
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Just remove or don't install the lower portion, or do the new guides have the lower roller molded into the 'taco' bash? I'm on a G2 so I'm unfamiliar with the newer stuff. The setup I'll be running next is similar to yours, but using some of those new fangled front rings that keep chains on. So no lower roller needed.
 
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the new LG1 stuff has the lower roller partially integrated into the bash. the part that holds the lower pulley wheel bolts onto the bash. take a look at the parts store on e13's site, you'll see what i mean.
 
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Nick said:
single ring?
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yeah, probably a 32 or 30t. I see seat post mount upper guides, direct mount upper guides, blah blah blah, but nothing that drops the lower roller in favor of some sort of bash protection. I'm not sure the lg1+ upper guide is compatible with a bash, which I'd like to have.

I guess what I'm looking for is pretty much an LG1 with no lower roller, but the one I have is not compatible with the frame I'm looking at. I'd have to buy a $40 backplate just to run it, so for another $20 I could just get a new setup. I figure with a clutch derailleur, short cage, hardtail, single ring, I really don't need a lower roller, and would rather have less pedaling resistance than protection from derailling while backpedaling, which has happened to me never on an XC bike.
 
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I'd try modifying an older one then. All you really need is the taco, backplate, and top guide, and all don't wear very much, so used may work just fine. I'm with you on what you're looking for.
 
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MRP AMG! Perfect! Upper guide and bash. Shame it's so damned expensive.

I don't know that I trust the fancy chainring stuff. Every x11 drivetrain I've seen has had both an upper guide and everything else. If somebody can spend $1000 on their drivetrain and still not trust it to derail, I think I'll stick with the guide.
 
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That new FSA ring looks like it'll work. MASSIVE teeth should help keep the chain on. Probably wear quicker though......
 
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MRP AMG is definitely what you want if you want a lower Taco-ish bash. On my trail bike I am using the E-13 XCX with zero dropped chains in 6 months and you know what those trails in Sutton are like with rocks and bones and rocks..
 
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I would do the AMG then. I have one on my Enduro EVO. It works. Was in the same guide boat a few months ago and that is what I settled on.
 
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Sandwich said:
I don't know that I trust the fancy chainring stuff. Every x11 drivetrain I've seen has had both an upper guide and everything else. If somebody can spend $1000 on their drivetrain and still not trust it to derail, I think I'll stick with the guide.
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I have around a 1000 miles on mine so far. Not a single dropped chain and no guide.
 
aenema

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I ended up taking a dremel to an MRP guide for this exact effect. Removed the lower roller portion leaving just about 4 inches or so of bash in place under the ring and still have the upper guide. Works well and I have come to hate those lower rollers anyway. They never hold up well.
 
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The AM-Guide on my Blur TRc is working beautifully.

Before, that a seat tube mounted XCX guide with a bash worked great as well. You just have to take a Dremel tool to the plastic bit of the XCX to make it fit with the chain/bash combo. Assuming you've already got a bash of some sort kicking about, this is likely the cheaper option.
 
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rpet said:
good thread. Not a fan of MRP, so that Hope item looks vvicked. Price kinda brutal though.


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if you're running single ring, then this item with a narrow-wide chainring and a bashguard will work. I've been running a wolftooth narrow-wide ring all summer, with no guide and a straitline bashguard. I have only lost the chain once; from a mistimed pedal stroke, directly onto a giant rock, at high speed in the bottom of a compression. It kicked the chain up and off the top of the chainring. I picked up that Hope guide to install for the enderpo race in Killington this weekend. Haven't installed it yet. I can let you know how it went after this weekend.

But in all honesty, I think those narrow-wide chainrings are the shizznit.
 
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Sandwich said:
yeah, probably a 32 or 30t. I see seat post mount upper guides, direct mount upper guides, blah blah blah, but nothing that drops the lower roller in favor of some sort of bash protection. I'm not sure the lg1+ upper guide is compatible with a bash, which I'd like to have.

I guess what I'm looking for is pretty much an LG1 with no lower roller, but the one I have is not compatible with the frame I'm looking at. I'd have to buy a $40 backplate just to run it, so for another $20 I could just get a new setup. I figure with a clutch derailleur, short cage, hardtail, single ring, I really don't need a lower roller, and would rather have less pedaling resistance than protection from derailling while backpedaling, which has happened to me never on an XC bike.
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Clutch derail + bash or get the silent guide if you want to spend some cash. Yeah there is some lower portion but it is very hard to kill it and it so it might be the best option.
 
blindboxx2334

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if you want a full bash without a lower guide wheel, check out the blackspire guide.. its got a lower guide, but its just a slider plate. (you can even take it off)

cant wait to mount it up on the big bike. looks real good. and was cheaper than the e13 i was going to get.
 
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My bike came with a FD direct mount XCX and I wanted some bash protection as well, but I didn't want to shell out the money for a whole new guide, just wanted to add a bash.

So I bought this guide for 20 bucks shipped on PB



Got out the dremel and cut the top half off and trimmed it up a bit to make it less bulky/lighter





Mounted it to the bike (didn't even have to take anything off, just slid right up and put two bolts through the chainring)






Took all of 15 mins, cost me 20 bucks and has saved my chainring numerous times.
 
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rpet said:
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slyfink said:
if you're running single ring, then this item with a narrow-wide chainring and a bashguard will work. I've been running a wolftooth narrow-wide ring all summer, with no guide and a straitline bashguard. I have only lost the chain once; from a mistimed pedal stroke, directly onto a giant rock, at high speed in the bottom of a compression. It kicked the chain up and off the top of the chainring. I picked up that Hope guide to install for the enderpo race in Killington this weekend. Haven't installed it yet. I can let you know how it went after this weekend.

But in all honesty, I think those narrow-wide chainrings are the shizznit.
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yeah, so I went to install the Hope chain guide on my Mojo HD and it doesn't fit (same issue as with all guides, the lower link is too wide). so PSA, I have one for sale. Mounted once, never used. It's a bb mount, no ISCG tabs.
 
blindboxx2334

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its still very weird not seeing a bike without a guide or any bash guard.. although its even weirder when you read that people are having great success with it. long live ze clutch!
 
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