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Sandro

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So which monkeys are coming out for Eurobike? Everyone is still setting up, but i've already spotted my next bike, so i might as well start with that:

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Giant Trance SX
 

Sandro

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I was horrified of that paintjob, but it actually does look pretty good in person. I can get over the 27,5", but that Giant Overdrive BS still makes me want to punch someone.
 

epic

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I rode that bike a week ago. It's pretty nice. Kinda crazy that a bike that expensive has mere Deore brakes, but equally nutty that they work so damn well.
 

norbar

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I was horrified of that paintjob, but it actually does look pretty good in person. I can get over the 27,5", but that Giant Overdrive BS still makes me want to punch someone.
Overdrive? So they went with that weird headset?
 

frango

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So which monkeys are coming out for Eurobike? Everyone is still setting up, but i've already spotted my next bike, so i might as well start with that:

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Giant Trance SX
I've seen that bike in the beginning of the year. That gold/brown/rootbeer paint doesn't look good in tungsten light, but quite a lot of ppl say it look quite good in natural light.

But, the real killer looking bike is Trance Advanced SX 27,5 with two-ton, metallic/flat black carbon frame. That bike is expensive ;>

Yes, norbar, they did go with the weird standard... it's actually Overdrive2 ;>
 

0110-M-P

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overdrive 2 is different then the normal Overdrive which is just a normal tapered HT
Never said they were the same. Overdrive 2 is the "weird headset" as norbar said since it is currently the industry non-standard 1-1/4" to 1-1/2" taper. I don't think anyone would be complaining if they saw the more standard 1-1/8" to 1-1/2" taper (original Giant Overdrive).

Obviously Giant is trying to bring a new standard to market with Overdrive 2, but the process is a bit painful for most who want to change forks. Pretty hard to sell a Giant specific fork on the used market.
 
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EVRAC

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Personally, I think Overdrive2 is great. It fits that same middle-of-the-road niche that 650b is in.

If full 1.5 is very stiff, but too heavy, and normal tapered is somewhat more flexible, this fits in between. Selling the fork shouldn't be hard as it fits any frame with a tapered or 1.5 headtube, it just needs a special top headset and stem, which you'd likely sell with the fork.

Yes it may not succeed, especially without any aftermarket stems on the market, but it doesn't mean that the idea is without merit. I'd run it.
 

jonKranked

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Never said they were the same. Overdrive 2 is the "weird headset" as norbar said since it is currently the industry non-standard 1-1/4" to 1-1/2" taper. I don't think anyone would be complaining if they saw the more standard 1-1/8" to 1-1/2" taper (original Giant Overdrive).

Obviously Giant is trying to bring a new standard to market with Overdrive 2, but the process is a bit painful for most who want to change forks. Pretty hard to sell a Giant specific fork on the used market.
next new standard... overdrive 3... 1.5" lower 1 3/8" upper to further reduce flex. will be followed up with overdrive 4, 1.5" lower 1 7/16". exponential decay.
 

Sandro

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Nifty go pro quick release from klickfix
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Much better from the company that made the ugliest bikes of the nineties
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atrokz

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next new standard... overdrive 3... 1.5" lower 1 3/8" upper to further reduce flex. will be followed up with overdrive 4, 1.5" lower 1 7/16". exponential decay.
Along with the new 27.95 wheels specifically designed because it gives a theoretical .2% increase in awesome over 27.5.

Can we just fire Giant's marketing people from here? I mean, that HAS to be who's designing the bikes now anyway, right? Must be with those BS graphs illustrating what's easily disprovable.

It's like the engineers went on vacation and either outsourced to Russia, or got marketing to take over in the meantime. Ugggg.
 

atrokz

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Engineers from Russia were pretty rad especially during cold war ;>
Actually worked with one for 4 years, who was an engineer there during the 80s.... Awesome guy.

The joke was in reference to Russian hardware usually being very, very proprietary and it's relation to 'standards'.
 

'size

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Personally, I think Overdrive2 is great. It fits that same middle-of-the-road niche that 650b is in.

If full 1.5 is very stiff, but too heavy, and normal tapered is somewhat more flexible, this fits in between. Selling the fork shouldn't be hard as it fits any frame with a tapered or 1.5 headtube, it just needs a special top headset and stem, which you'd likely sell with the fork.

Yes it may not succeed, especially without any aftermarket stems on the market, but it doesn't mean that the idea is without merit. I'd run it.
key word there. personally i don't see why anyone would buy anything where the word 'special' is used to describe how you would get it to work with the most common spec'd frames or parts.

IMO OD2 is no different than proprietary shock lengths and strokes used by some companies. been burned on proprietary crap once and once is enough.
 
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boylagz

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The kabuto and bell look like a cheap 90's lid people bought for scrap
I have the rebadge Kabuto IXA aka Nema Player. Its not bad. My XL D3 head fits pretty good in a M/L Kabuto. The D3 defo feels more solid, better built. I dunno if its OGK taking off as much weight as they can just to meet safety standards and make their ff's one of the lightest. Its a good 300g plus lighter iirc vs. a carbon D3.
 

norbar

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I have the rebadge Kabuto IXA aka Nema Player. Its not bad. My XL D3 head fits pretty good in a M/L Kabuto. The D3 defo feels more solid, better built. I dunno if its OGK taking off as much weight as they can just to meet safety standards and make their ff's one of the lightest. Its a good 300g plus lighter iirc vs. a carbon D3.
Never understood the need for the lightest FF. As long as it's not stupid heavy I'm fine with more weight. What I want is proper ventilation and protection. I use my head as an emergency brake way too often to test the lightest helmets.
 

boylagz

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^ I totally understand. I have no issues with lids in the 1200-1300g range. Just surprised it was THAT much lighter.

Speaking of newl lids coming out, I hope Fox launches a composite Rampage Pro soon. Im in love with that lid :drool:
 
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norbar

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Forget the lids the new 650B canyon looks mint. If it's priced like their other AL models it's the bike I will buy next season. Better compo than the giant, probably similar price.
 

blindboxx2334

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Pretty hard to sell a Giant specific fork on the used market.
im pretty sure the fork is just a regular tapered steerer, or a standard 1-1/8 steerer. i highly doubt that giant could get RS, Fox, or Marz to make some forks with silly steerer tubes.

Personally, I think Overdrive2 is great. It fits that same middle-of-the-road niche that 650b is in.

... it just needs a special top headset and stem, which you'd likely sell with the fork.
i think its a cool idea too.. cept for the fact that no one else is using it, which im sure really makes it hard on em..

although if Giant did it right, you should only need the special upper headset bearing and cup. doesnt make much sense to make a forks steerer and stem specific for one single manufacturer.

oh well, Giant is now alienating themselves by shelving some of the 26" models.. so, maybe 2014 eurobike will be different than this years for em ;)
 
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Verskis

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im pretty sure the fork is just a regular tapered steerer, or a standard 1-1/8 steerer. i highly doubt that giant could get RS, Fox, or Marz to make some forks with silly steerer tubes.
Yes they do. The overdrive 2 is 1 1/2" to 1 1/4" tapered steerer.

While talking about silly bike brand-specific forks, Gary Fisher had more offset on the crowns and Trek has the DRCV spring. Fox seems to love making exclusive **** for the bike manufacturers.
 

Verskis

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I'll be at the show tomorrow through Friday. Post up if there's anything you want specific pics of.
Are there any eye friendly colors on the new Five Ten Impact VXi's, or better yet, will there be a high top version of said shoe?
All the 140-160mm 26" forks.
All the new non-XC tires.

Oh, and some protective equipment like helmets and upper body armors too, please!
 
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frango

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Forget the lids the new 650B canyon looks mint. If it's priced like their other AL models it's the bike I will buy next season. Better compo than the giant, probably similar price.
Guess why?! ;> Coz it's a direct order company? :P