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Rampage 2013

William42

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Jul 31, 2007
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So serious question because I have no idea who owns the land/what type of permits there are, but with all the natl parks shutting down right now, is the rampage site affected by this? Will it still be able to occur? Any local utah monkies know the lay of the land/ownership/permits?
 

William42

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Jul 31, 2007
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There are a lot of people with a lot of money who use the national parks for a lot of things.

That doesn't make them any more open right now.
 

blindboxx2334

Turbo Monkey
Mar 19, 2013
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Well, no... But rampage is probably red bull's biggest MTB event of the year..

So im going to venture out and say that they've got all their bases covered. ;)

I'd also venture out and say that if there was a problem, we probably would have already read/herd about it. Less than two weeks away!

I didnt know anyone here cared about the FMB stuff ;)
 
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wiscodh

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Jun 21, 2007
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Well, no... But rampage is probably red bull's biggest MTB event of the year..

So im going to venture out and say that they've got all their bases covered. ;)

I'd also venture out and say that if there was a problem, we probably would have already read/herd about it. Less than two weeks away!

I didnt know anyone here cared about the FMB stuff ;)
all the DoD contracts are small peanuts compared to red bulls budget.......:rolleyes:
 

blindboxx2334

Turbo Monkey
Mar 19, 2013
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all the DoD contracts are small peanuts compared to red bulls budget.......:rolleyes:
you have to go through the dept of defense to get a permit on something like that? Odd, you would think it would be something like EPA, F&G, or some stupid federal program thats gotta make it way harder than it needs to be.

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im sure either way, im sure the whole process is just a mess.. although red bull has some deep pockets, so that always seems go smoother/expedited that way.;)
 
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gemini2k

Turbo Monkey
Jul 31, 2005
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National Parks require bikes to stay on roads. There is no MTBing in any national park.
Sounds like now might be the perfect time to do some exploring on my 450!!

Anyone know if the shut down affects USFS rangers? I've been scoping out a few places that are begging for some riding.
 
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aenema

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Sep 5, 2008
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Shutdown affects all federal agencies including USFS. I work for the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) which is under DOI (Department of Interior) and I am furloughed. Not getting into it any deeper, but I will say I am extremely frustrated by our supposed leaders. I would say the chance of running into a ranger is very low about now. Seriously.

These events that are run on federal lands are typically permit based. Red Bull would have secured the permit and thus, permission a long time ago. Only hiccup is if federal employees needed to be onsite for the event to make sure that boundaries are respected and such. Good possibility that those slated to perform such a duty would not be working should the furlough still be in effect. Lets hope its sorted long before the time of the event.
 

Lelandjt

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2008
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Breckenridge, CO/Lahaina,HI
Sounds like now might be the perfect time to do some exploring on my 450!!

Anyone know if the shut down affects USFS rangers? I've been scoping out a few places that are begging for some riding.
I was thinking the only way this affects us is positively. Less rangers to enforce regulations. All the trail work is done by volunteers so besides stocking toilet paper in a few parking lot bathrooms the rangers and government money don't do anything for me.
 

Mr Lahey

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Sep 23, 2009
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Sounds like now might be the perfect time to do some exploring on my 450!!

Anyone know if the shut down affects USFS rangers? I've been scoping out a few places that are begging for some riding.
It does and it doesn't. I live in a small town that's land locked by Cuyahoga Valley NP (was one of the top 5 visited parks in recent years). There are currently 6 rangers patrolling roughly 21k acres. I want to say there are usually 25+ on top of this. They are in a bad mood, know bikers want to capitalize on the closure, and will impound bikes on the first offense.

Bummer, as I was really hoping to get in some old school hiking trail mtb fun.
 

djjohnr

Turbo Monkey
Apr 21, 2002
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Eh, what about -

- Controlling forest fires
- Building access to parks
- Building trails (most trails in National Parks are built by trail crews which are NOT volunteer based - good luck finding volunteers to do major back-country rock work)
- Search and rescue operations

etc etc etc


Also, the longer this goes on, the harder it will be for any resorts on federal land (ie most of them) to get permits for new 2014 trails.
 

gemini2k

Turbo Monkey
Jul 31, 2005
3,526
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San Francisco
""Essentially, the Park Service has decided that mountain biking is not consistent with the scenic and aesthetic values of the wilderness experience," says Herring. Pressed to explain, the wilderness ranger said it was "a matter of attitude, of a lack of respect for the park." However, Herring says the Sedona 5 caused negligible trail damage--far less than one of the commercial mule trains that routinely travel the park's major trails. "Yes, mules are a high-impact animal," he says. "But that's irrelevant. The issue here is respect for what this park is for. These guys [the Sedona 5] were not out to enjoy the natural splendor. They were there to put a notch in their belt.""

I guess if you don't like it for the reasons they tell you to like it, you're a terrible, law breaking criminal? Why because fvck you, that's why, I guess?
 

gemini2k

Turbo Monkey
Jul 31, 2005
3,526
117
San Francisco
Are USFS places completely shut down? Like gates close, big locks? Am I gonna need to bring an angle grinder and hacksaw to...gain entrance?
 

rav400

Monkey
Aug 31, 2009
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The Right Coast
""Essentially, the Park Service has decided that mountain biking is not consistent with the scenic and aesthetic values of the wilderness experience," says Herring. Pressed to explain, the wilderness ranger said it was "a matter of attitude, of a lack of respect for the park." However, Herring says the Sedona 5 caused negligible trail damage--far less than one of the commercial mule trains that routinely travel the park's major trails. "Yes, mules are a high-impact animal," he says. "But that's irrelevant. The issue here is respect for what this park is for. These guys [the Sedona 5] were not out to enjoy the natural splendor. They were there to put a notch in their belt.""

I guess if you don't like it for the reasons they tell you to like it, you're a terrible, law breaking criminal? Why because fvck you, that's why, I guess?
Exactly. All mountain bikers hate nature and don't value scenic wilderness experiences. How can you by bike?
 

motomike

Turbo Monkey
Jan 19, 2005
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North Carolina
Are USFS places completely shut down? Like gates close, big locks? Am I gonna need to bring an angle grinder and hacksaw to...gain entrance?
Yes. I'm currently working on trails at a USFS ORV area and yesterday they brought us a key and closed the gate to the public. We are still allowed to work as of now, until further notice...
 

William42

fork ways
Jul 31, 2007
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I agree with Verskis. But I also think the set of skills it takes to race against the clock and try and squeeze out every second is a fairly different set of mental skills it takes to throw yourself off a 70 foot drop where you know you have to do it perfectly or you will die. And I don't think they want him to die.