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Dw DHR.. CCDB vs 2010-13 RC4 vs 2014 RC4?

richgardiner

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Aug 19, 2008
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Hey,
I've just bought a shockless DHR, and after reading up a fair bit on here and some other sites, most people seem to have used the RC4 with the volume maxed out and the air pressure minimized. The frame has a progressive spring curve, but the RC4 is a naturally progressive shock with the large piston isn't it?
Would the newer rc4 with the thinner shock shaft be more appropriate for this bike as the shock will have a less progressive nature? Same question goes for the CCDB.

I weigh 170lbs if that helps at all.
Thanks!
 

supercow

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Feb 18, 2009
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I can't comment on the DHR, and I know there will be people who completely disagree - but for what it's worth I think the RC4 is a poor shock, particularly for a bike with a progressive suspension curve. I found that it slowed right down through successive square hits through roots etc. It was nice and poppy for bermed, wide open, jumpy tracks, but piss poor over the rough.

The newer "should" be better, but I don't see why you'd not just get a CCDB and tune it to how you like the shock to work.
 
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Mo(n)arch

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Woo likes the Vivid air a lot on this frame, eventhough you have to do some grinding on it.

The DHR has good ramp at the end of the stroke, so a linear shock will definitely work fine in it. Dw Link bikes need only low amounts of compression damping, so keep that in mind too. Maybe a Vivid coil or air might be the best and cheapest options on that frame...

What Kidwoo had to say:
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2011-turner-dhr
 
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Sandwich

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check emptybeer. There was a lot of discussion on setups/builds and people had both the ccdb and rc4 with success. To run the RC4, best bet would be max volume min pressure, according to people who own one.

If I had oodles of money, I'd bet on the ccdb, for the adjustability.
 

bizutch

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Doubt you're going to get an actual riding experience answer from a knowledgeable source on this one. Best bet is to ring Turner and quiz somebody like Greg. Or check with Dark Horse Racing and see if their pro riders have been able to test variations.

Don't trust the guy who has paid money for all these shocks. Doubt his riding ability is suited to giving you true feedback.

Trust woo....he's got rep.
 

frorider

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Jul 21, 2004
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I think I've posted here about riding the 2012 RC4 vs CCDB on my DHR...no question that the CCDB does better on long sections of high speed chunk. RC4 was more poppy on jumps.

If you do ph Turner, ask about the Decline article (most recent issue I think) that said the new RC4/DHR combo was more plush and addressed the complaints people had. The Decline style of journalism made it hard to figure out exactly what was changed...it sorta implied the change was just in the shock, but it sorta implied that Turner had made some sort of change in the frame.
 

bizutch

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I think I've posted here about riding the 2012 RC4 vs CCDB on my DHR...no question that the CCDB does better on long sections of high speed chunk. RC4 was more poppy on jumps.

If you do ph Turner, ask about the Decline article (most recent issue I think) that said the new RC4/DHR combo was more plush and addressed the complaints people had. The Decline style of journalism made it hard to figure out exactly what was changed...it sorta implied the change was just in the shock, but it sorta implied that Turner had made some sort of change in the frame.
:nope:
 

ScarredOne

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Sep 18, 2001
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My RC4 and CCDB cost me the same amount of money, and I doubt that "PRO" setups and settings would necessarily benefit you if you're asking. So here's my take: CCDB.

I'm 170# and swap between 400 and 450# springs. 450 was fine for the big hits at resorts.

I run a 400 on my RC4 as a backup shock, it's harsher, but works alright for the easy riding at Big Bear, etc.
 

bismojo

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May 5, 2009
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Woo likes the Vivid air a lot on this frame, eventhough you have to do some grinding on it.

The DHR has good ramp at the end of the stroke, so a linear shock will definitely work fine in it. Dw Link bikes need only low amounts of compression damping, so keep that in mind too. Maybe a Vivid coil or air might be the best and cheapest options on that frame...

What Kidwoo had to say:
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2011-turner-dhr
Van R too low end?
 

Udi

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Doubt you're going to get an actual riding experience answer from a knowledgeable source on this one.
Yeah, forget the chances of speaking to someone who's actually owned the frame and shocks on a forum dedicated to DH with a large international audience.

Don't trust the guy who has paid money for all these shocks. Doubt his riding ability is suited to giving you true feedback.
Let's also go ahead and assume that anyone with the means to obtain them is incapable of riding. You're a shining beacon of logic as always. :)
 

tabletop84

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Reviews based on expensive new parts need to be read between the lines. If the product doesn't have obvious flaws it always will be positive because nobody admits he just swapped his 1 month old thenlatestgear with the nowlateststuff to not notice a sginificant improvement. Also don't trust just one review or one guy. After checking multiple sources you'll recognize that the vivid is offering most value for money. Yeah it's not coloured in shiney gold/kashima stuff but it works pretty good nonetheless. I rode the old and the new one b2b with ccdb (in a different frame) but didn't miss the ccdb.
 

richgardiner

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Aug 19, 2008
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Just to say, I don't care if this seems biased but too many of my friends have had vivids blow up on them, not for me thanks! I will be deciding between a CCDB and new RC4, although the latter will be hard to find second hand at the moment as they've only just come out, hopefully they come OE on a lot of 2014 bikes and I'll be able to get one then!
For anyone interested, I asked DT the question and here's the response:

" Hi Rich,

Yes, the newest RC2 or 4 would be the better option as the thinner shaft creates less progressivity.

The older fat shaft was never a favorite of ours due to the combined rising rate of the linkage and the ramp of hydraulic resistance.

No idea about CCDB, we have always spec'd Fox, love em or hate em, everybody knows they are strong and that sells. "
 

Mo(n)arch

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" Hi Rich,

Yes, the newest RC2 or 4 would be the better option as the thinner shaft creates less progressivity.

The older fat shaft was never a favorite of ours due to the combined rising rate of the linkage and the ramp of hydraulic resistance.

No idea about CCDB, we have always spec'd Fox, love em or hate em, everybody knows they are strong and that sells. "
Wait, what? :think:
You sell your bike with a damper that doesn't really suit it and makes your bike ride poorly?
 

bizutch

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Udi, you misunderstand. My statement was usually the guy who is giving you feedback on this forum in regards to a COMPARISON of all these shocks on the DHR is typically not the most qualified rider to give feedback. To stereotype (which is pretty good logic online) ;) , guys who burn all their coin on trying every shock on the market tend to be bike fans, not necessarily true pinners.

Heck, PINNERS can be total hacks. Even DW's recommended settings didn't work right for me. I had to bump up to a stiffer spring to keep my cranks off the ground and put a drop of bottom out in there even.

The original shock works. It works good. Is it the greatest ever? Don't know. I've not ridden all the other shocks. Heck, a particular shock might not even be the best for your local terrain.

Double Barrel (which I've owned on a Demo) is such an easy to soften shock that you can really make it magic for ragged, rocky, rooty terrain. Those same settings can frustrate the crap out of you in a bike park when you can't get it to leave the ground.

I've been able to make the stock shock work consistently on all terrain types with little compromise (there is always some). But if I had the extra money, I'd pull trigger on the Double Barrel in an instant. It's infinitely adjustable, backed by a solid company and a group of guys I know for a fact work hard with individual customers to help them dial it to their personal needs.
 
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richgardiner

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Aug 19, 2008
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Found a 2012 ccdb in pretty sweet condition for a great price this evening so went with it, just need to find some base settings now!
 

msaman

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Dec 6, 2012
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Yeah I think that's the best shock for progressive frames.I tried my brothers one on a Nukeproof Scalp and is so sensitive :)
Just get it serviced and if you look after it you will be a happy bunny :P
Also get it dial it coz that's the biggest problem for most CCDB users : )))
 

frorider

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Found a 2012 ccdb in pretty sweet condition for a great price this evening so went with it, just need to find some base settings now!
Cane Creek recommendations for DW DHR: LSC 12-15 clicks in, LSR 13-17 clicks in, HSC 1-1.5 turns in, HSR 1.5-2.5 turns in.

What I've eventually settled on after a lot of adjustments at Northstar/Mammoth: 17, 16, 0.75, 1.5. I'm running a 400 lb CC Ti spring and I weigh 195. And use thin pedals. ;)
 

dytrdr5

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I actually have experience riding both shocks on my Turner DHR, it came with the RC4 and I was in the process of selling my Zerode with the CCDB. I kept the CCDB and sold the Zerode with the RC4. The CCDB to me feels like a much better shock, the small bump sensitivity couldn't be duplicated with the RC4. It just eats up the terrain better and I find it to have better traction in turns. I am about 198lbs all geared up and I ride a 400lb spring. Now if I could only get my Fox 40 hybrid air to feel as good I would be all set.
 

bizutch

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Cane Creek recommendations for DW DHR: LSC 12-15 clicks in, LSR 13-17 clicks in, HSC 1-1.5 turns in, HSR 1.5-2.5 turns in.

What I've eventually settled on after a lot of adjustments at Northstar/Mammoth: 17, 16, 0.75, 1.5. I'm running a 400 lb CC Ti spring and I weigh 195. And use thin pedals. ;)
Ditto, but that is when I'm kitted up and out of shape (more often than not).

I actually have experience riding both shocks on my Turner DHR, it came with the RC4 and I was in the process of selling my Zerode with the CCDB. I kept the CCDB and sold the Zerode with the RC4. The CCDB to me feels like a much better shock, the small bump sensitivity couldn't be duplicated with the RC4. It just eats up the terrain better and I find it to have better traction in turns. I am about 198lbs all geared up and I ride a 400lb spring. Now if I could only get my Fox 40 hybrid air to feel as good I would be all set.
Nothing like testimonial that I'm always right. :D

Cheers guys, so I'm looking to be going for a 350 spring if I weigh around 170lbs.
I think you're going to be landing in the perfect spot at that spring rate and weight. Normally on the Double Barrel, you'd run a softer spring than your usual choice with a Fox, but since most of us have all bumped up 50lbs from typical recommended spring rate, you should be pretty well dialed in.

With the Double Barrel, just make sure of a few things. If you are changing settings, I HIGHLY recommend making notes on how each setting change affects the ride. After doing so, go back and try to run a spring weight slightly lighter and heavier. That shock is VERY sensitive to spring rate changes in my opinion.

If you're doubtful of your settings after that, make sure to talk with customer service at Cane Creek with notes in hand. I have no doubt if you follow that formula, you'll find your ride. :thumb:
 

Udi

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Normally on the Double Barrel, you'd run a softer spring than your usual choice with a Fox
No, you wouldn't.

Unless of course you ignore the laws of physics completely.