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Kanye West

220# bag of hacktastic
Aug 31, 2006
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lol. sounds like the jackalope take.
How so exactly?

Do you have any idea what their product liability insurance costs are and how much it costs to be an ISO/AS certified company? There's a reason that has to be so expensive.

Granted, many of them suffer from internal incompetence and are hugely wasteful, but that's a problem most anywhere.
 

jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
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How so exactly?

Do you have any idea what their product liability insurance costs are and how much it costs to be an ISO/AS certified company? There's a reason that has to be so expensive.

Granted, many of them suffer from internal incompetence and are hugely wasteful, but that's a problem most anywhere.
He must work for a start up :rofl:
 
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heavy metal

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Mar 31, 2011
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HI
That looks to be a dream job. Do you find that entry level positions for engineers open up occasionally? Or better yet, what other industry experience is viewed most favorably? I am finishing up my BSME and I am trying to decide what trajectory to take.
 

ianjenn

Turbo Monkey
Sep 12, 2006
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Correct. Small specialized biotech/pharma subcontractors are typically VERY well funded.
Just a FYI the meter maids in SLO start at $57K and after 10-15 years you are out at 80% pay. This makes my cry for numerous reasons.....
 

demonprec

Monkey
Nov 12, 2004
237
15
Whonnock BC Canada
Good machinists make $70-80K in the area, senior design engineers make well over $100k. Median home price in Santa Cruz is creeping up to $700k currently. Just over highway 17, on the silicon side, median home price is $1.3 million.

There is a reason why "competitive salary" is not in the ad. But you do get to design bikes 1/2 mile from the beach and go to China a lot! :weee:
so they are paying $35 to $40 per hr for machinists ?? find that hard too belief , been in the trade for 25yrs and make now where near that nor any others i know in the trade
 

Kanye West

220# bag of hacktastic
Aug 31, 2006
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so they are paying $35 to $40 per hr for machinists ?? find that hard too belief , been in the trade for 25yrs and make now where near that nor any others i know in the trade
Prototype shop machinists and tool makers can easily make that in the right industry in a high cost-of-living area, and they are worth every penny. And I mean the guys who are thinkers and are impossible to replace, not "machinists" that just run a CNC program that has been handed to them like loading/unloading a microwave.
 

UncleHowie

Chimp
Feb 9, 2011
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Switzerland
Prototype shop machinists and tool makers can easily make that in the right industry in a high cost-of-living area, and they are worth every penny. And I mean the guys who are thinkers and are impossible to replace, not "machinists" that just run a CNC program that has been handed to them like loading/unloading a microwave.
I do that kind of work but there are too many people with cnc skills in switzerland/germany and because of that the salary isn't that great. I probably should search for a job in USA/Canada :D
 

demonprec

Monkey
Nov 12, 2004
237
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Whonnock BC Canada
Prototype shop machinists and tool makers can easily make that in the right industry in a high cost-of-living area, and they are worth every penny. And I mean the guys who are thinkers and are impossible to replace, not "machinists" that just run a CNC program that has been handed to them like loading/unloading a microwave.
those are not Machinists that just run a CNC program they are called operators and up here they make $14 to $22 per hr depending on the shop , i have buddies who are mold makers and they make in the high $20, low $30,s per hr , you are talking about a group that is 5% or less of the total trade . and you want too talk about high cost living areas move too Vancouver BC !!!!
 

atrokz

Turbo Monkey
Mar 14, 2002
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so they are paying $35 to $40 per hr for machinists ?? find that hard too belief , been in the trade for 25yrs and make now where near that nor any others i know in the trade
I made that as a certified tool and die maker. Plus overtime.

Then again, MOST people think they are a machinist when they are just operating a machine. Most 'machinists', and I say this with honesty, aren't very good. 8000hrs of apprenticeship, studying metallurgy, cutting theory, and the like make a big difference with the decisions a proper machinist or toolmaker can make on the floor. When a machinist proves his worth, she/he's worth more than they are paid. By far. A good machinist can make a shop his or her salary back in a month. Think about it.

Good luck on the search SC. I'd try aerospace or defense engineers because they constantly have their limits pushed (especially with composites these days), but they usually get paid more working in those respective industries.
 
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Kanye West

220# bag of hacktastic
Aug 31, 2006
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I made that as a certified tool and die maker. Plus overtime.

Then again, MOST people think they are a machinist when they are just operating a machine. Most 'machinists', and I say this with honesty, aren't very good. 8000hrs of apprenticeship, studying metallurgy, cutting theory, and the like make a big difference with the decisions a proper machinist or toolmaker can make on the floor. When a machinist proves his worth, she/he's worth more than they are paid. By far. A good machinist can make a shop his or her salary back in a month. Think about it.
Bingo. I knew a few people who went to engineering school to do research specifically on high-speed cutting dynamics and metallurgy, just for their trade as machinists. Super interesting stuff.

And yeah, a good machinist/tool room guy will have as much overtime as they can handle if they want it. It's not at all uncommon for them to net more in a year than even the senior engineers.
 

atrokz

Turbo Monkey
Mar 14, 2002
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Bingo. I knew a few people who went to engineering school to do research specifically on high-speed cutting dynamics and metallurgy, just for their trade as machinists. Super interesting stuff.

And yeah, a good machinist/tool room guy will have as much overtime as they can handle if they want it. It's not at all uncommon for them to net more in a year than even the senior engineers.
Indeed. It's a science to itself that anyone outside observing usually has no clue about. Anyone can smash cutters into metal. Good machinists know every little scientific detail about what they are doing so it's not hard to see why the top guys make good coin. I spent 6 years (2 years college, 4 years apprentice which includes more classes including university level metallurgy) and I was worth more than what they paid me.

All this said, I think what SC is offering is also a lifestyle, not just a job. And for a lot of people that has value.
 
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Raingauge

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Apr 3, 2008
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those are not Machinists that just run a CNC program they are called operators and up here they make $14 to $22 per hr depending on the shop , i have buddies who are mold makers and they make in the high $20, low $30,s per hr , you are talking about a group that is 5% or less of the total trade . and you want too talk about high cost living areas move too Vancouver BC !!!!
I have manual machinists that make mid $30's/hr and operators that make close to that. With overtime most make over $100k CDN/year. Prototype guys make well over $40/hr locally. Those are pretty standard wages around here. My best friend is a B pressure welder and makes close to $50/hr + OT.

The lifestyle part of the SC job would be the most appealing; with a job like that you have to consider what the perks are worth.
 

demonprec

Monkey
Nov 12, 2004
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Whonnock BC Canada
I made that as a certified tool and die maker. Plus overtime.

Then again, MOST people think they are a machinist when they are just operating a machine. Most 'machinists', and I say this with honesty, aren't very good. 8000hrs of apprenticeship, studying metallurgy, cutting theory, and the like make a big difference with the decisions a proper machinist or toolmaker can make on the floor. When a machinist proves his worth, she/he's worth more than they are paid. By far. A good machinist can make a shop his or her salary back in a month. Think about it.

Good luck on the search SC. I'd try aerospace or defense engineers because they constantly have their limits pushed (especially with composites these days), but they usually get paid more working in those respective industries.
T&D is a rarity out here the highest paying machinist job i have seen was with Trumphe they are a research company close to UBC and they where paying $39hr . there was a few other companys paying close but they have all folded . my riding partner is a moldmaker and he is right around $30 , same wage the mold shop a friend owns is paying when he offered me a position .

and as far as a single machinist make a yrs wages for the company in a month , maybe in the right environment and the right product , but with the shops i have been in the rate is $100 per hr for labor .
 
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demonprec

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Nov 12, 2004
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Whonnock BC Canada
I have manual machinists that make mid $30's/hr and operators that make close to that. With overtime most make over $100k CDN/year. Prototype guys make well over $40/hr locally. Those are pretty standard wages around here. My best friend is a B pressure welder and makes close to $50/hr + OT.

The lifestyle part of the SC job would be the most appealing; with a job like that you have to consider what the perks are worth.
what part of the country are you in and what size machines are they running ? boringmill and large cnc machines in jobbing shops pay mid 30,s for afternoon and weekend shifts , smaller machines are typically $28.50 to $32 depending on the versatility of the machinist .
 

wiscodh

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I have manual machinists that make mid $30's/hr and operators that make close to that. With overtime most make over $100k CDN/year. Prototype guys make well over $40/hr locally. Those are pretty standard wages around here. My best friend is a B pressure welder and makes close to $50/hr + OT.

The lifestyle part of the SC job would be the most appealing; with a job like that you have to consider what the perks are worth.
good god, im getting hosed....
 

atrokz

Turbo Monkey
Mar 14, 2002
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and as far as a single machinist make a yrs wages for the company in a month , maybe in the right environment and the right product , but with the shops i have been in the rate is $100 per hr for labor .
Aerospace and defense. For a year I made two of a certain product a month, that sold for $35k..... On top of other things I made. So definitely possible.