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so I got an offer for a senior management job I dont really feel capable of yet...

ALEXIS_DH

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am 30 years old, with 6-7 years of experience for major car manufacturers in after-sales. rose up the ranks relatively fast from dealership worker to corporate middle-management.
about a year ago, i left Toyota (after 5 years) to join another (smaller) japanese manufacturer.

got a cold call from a head hunter a few months ago. asked if i was interested in a senior management position in after-sales for a local non-automotive manufacturer. Since I never say "no thanks" to cold calls from headhunters, i went in for an interview. 2 interviews later, I got more details, no salary mentioned yet, but those kinda of jobs pay at least twice my current salary.

the position manages the after sales division for a local manufacturer of house appliances. The position reports directly to the CEO.
its a dept of about 100 people (the company is fairly large, 500+), but they (as its the case with most south-american manufacturers) really have no clue on how to manage such a large after-sales operation. There are no KPIs, no defined standard operational procedures, and productivity seems to be very low. Its a very crude operation, as far as I can tell.

They want a "Toyota guy", to put the house in order, design processes and implement KPIs. As weird as it might seem to americans/europeans/japanese, that kind of know-how is fairly rare in developing nations; even at multi-million dollar family-owned businesses.

Now, the problem.... I have never managed more than 10 people... and am not really a "people´s person".
Plus, I really like cars... and the more technical the job, the better I like it. So I dont really feel like am the perfect fit for this job.... And then there is the cultural issue of jumping from an international corporation to a family-owned peruvian business (in the process of becoming a corporation); and the low probability of returning to the car business, once I jump to home-appliances.

On the other hand, I´ve had a few interviews with Mercedes Benz. They asked me what I liked to do, because they wanted me in, but they werent sure where to put me in..... On thursday I meet with their HR people (I have already interviewed with 3 managers, including the HR manager), so my dreamish hope is they offer me a job burning rubber on AMGs or something awesome like that. The bad thing, is that a good biking friend, who happens to be a senior manager at Mercedes, set me up for a interview there.
So there is a chance I´m offered a position to work under him (and having your friend as your boss usually ends up badly), or a non-technical position as a product manager or something like that (even though, I have told them I do not like sales).

My current employer has laid out 250 workers (out of about 1000) over the last 5 months, including 6 senior managers (including the one who hired me). This, among other reasons; have had me testing the waters and interviewing with these companies.

what would RM do?
 
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mandown

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i hate the stress of managing. wish i would have avoided my promotion, and i only have 5 monk... people to manage. though, that large a number might not require as much direct interaction with your crew; it might be less social than you think.
 

I Are Baboon

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Take the job. On your first day, hold a department meeting and fire somebody in front of everyone else. Make an example out of them. Show your people you are not one to be trifled with.
 

H8R

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no salary mentioned yet, but those kinda of jobs pay at least twice my current salary.
I stopped reading here. Take the fvcking job. You work for money. If you aren't making as much money as possible, stop working.

Life is short.
 

dan-o

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Take. The. Job.
Remember how your last job reminding you of a Doonsbury cartoon?
This type of advancement creates that reality.
Feed the system.
 

rideit

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Well, if it's really a Peruvian company, no one will show up for meetings, and all the important work will be done in Febuary at Cocos or Las Brisas in Playa Asia.
So there's that.
 

ocelot

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Take the damn job. You can reach out to the internets in doing your job.

Get money, f*ck b*tches.
 
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CBJ

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Sounds like a very interesting job and even better salary. Only but is family owned but at least its getting to a size where it seems they need to run it as a real business.
 

Toshi

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Take the dam job and dont look back. You say you cant go back to automotive after but dont be so sure.
Make an impact by streamlining all u can and who knows, you may be more attractive to Mercedes 3 years from now. Play the game and stack the green yo.
This. Take it!
 

ALEXIS_DH

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Take. The. Job.
Remember how your last job reminding you of a Doonsbury cartoon?
This type of advancement creates that reality.
Feed the system.
thats exactly the problem. I work in after-sales, thus I depend a lot on a well connected and efficient sales division.
following the money often leaves you in uncomfortable positions, with unproven products, -iffy sales people, or companies with more money than brains.

one of the things I´d like is stability and to work in a mature market, with a well positioned product and a well-funded dealer-network, if possible.

working for a family owned (albeit fairly large) company, does not offer much of that. i´m not very aware of their expectations. streamlining an after-sales operation requires a big investment, and there are a lot of fixed costs they might not be fully-aware of, yet.

I have a meeting today with Daimler-Chrsyler for the Mercedes gig... we´ll see what they have in offer. So far they have only said am in their plans for 2014, but have not said what
I would be doing, exactly.
If I get a technical job managing recalls, service bulletins, warranties and developing products for non-commercial vehicles; with an ocassional trip to das deustchland and occassional track days with clients in Lima or europe; I´d jump ship, no questions asked.

I have managed to stall the home-appilance manufacturer, until january. Them, being a very peruvian company, have no problem putting things in hold for a few weeks because of the holidays....

Am thinking about counter-offering with a "consultancy gig". Say, if their offer isnt 100% satisfactory; I´d offer them a 6-12 month long consultancy in their after-sales operation.
that way, I wont risk a career move; they will get to see what can I do for them; and I´ll see if they are really serious about becoming a corporation.
 

CBJ

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I always think the best jobs are the once where they have problems. Who want to come into a well run organization where its much more difficult to show you making a difference.
 

ALEXIS_DH

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I always think the best jobs are the once where they have problems. Who want to come into a well run organization where its much more difficult to show you making a difference.
I´ve been working for less than 10 years (and less than 7 of those, at big companies), but I have noticed that companies with problems (in booming economies, at least), are so because of structural issues, rather than tactical blunders caused by middle-management.

you either have a disfunctional team, a clueless or self-serving division manager, a close-to-retirement-manager-who-does-not-want-ro-risk-a-thing, or a company far too leveraged and cash-strapped.
 

CBJ

year old fart
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Some good points sounds like you know what it takes to evaluate if the potential new company had potential to improve or not. I am wish I had all these great offers on hand I hope you get the best of it.
 

dan-o

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thats exactly the problem. I work in after-sales, thus I depend a lot on a well connected and efficient sales division.
following the money often leaves you in uncomfortable positions, with unproven products, -iffy sales people, or companies with more money than brains.

one of the things I´d like is stability and to work in a mature market, with a well positioned product and a well-funded dealer-network, if possible.
I know that you like stable environments based on past posts.
My outlook is the exact opposite as I get bored easily and like to create preposterous goals for myself and then try and reach them.
As a boy my father beat the SAS motto 'Who Dares Wins' into my head and that philosophy has served me well over the years.

Note: I'm not some Biz school phenom; just a mid 40's, small (20> employee) construction biz owner, father of two with a Lit degree and penchant for smoking weed who manages to succeed despite myself.

To me corporate = death so I'd feel suffocated under the well-developed systems of MB or similar.
Jumping into the family biz, without a road map other than your experience and gut instinct sounds awesome.

My wife is 4 years into turning around a dying museum that sounds similar to your possible situation.
Massive overhaul, creation of systems/metrics where they never existed etc.
It's hard work if you're very goal oriented as progress is elusive and hard to quantify for a while but when it gels, BAM, everything is right in the world.

Anyway, you know what style suits you best.
I'd just encourage you to always step beyond your comfort zone if you want to reach your true potential, wherever you land.
 

Austin Bike

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Duh, Austin
I'll take the counter for everyone else here. Don't take the job. If it was right, you wouldn't be on RM asking if you should take it, you would know.

Either you change the job or the job changes you. Odds are not good on you changing the job, introverts rarely do well running large groups of people. There are definitely some notable exceptions, but there are more examples that will prove my point. So the more likely impact is that you have to change to fit the job. If you are willing to change to make more money, then do it, but it sounds like you are more comfortable in your own skin. Decide what you want first, then find the job to fit that.
 

JohnE

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Front Range, dude...
If you go to work for Daimler Benz, they may send you here. All my neighbors think I work for Mercedes or IBM...I guess the short hair and crazy hours are the norm for the business world.
 
I stopped reading here. Take the fvcking job. You work for money. If you aren't making as much money as possible, stop working.

Life is short.
It's too short to waste it on pursuing money per se. My primary reward from work is helping others accomplish something constructive. I happen by this time to get paid handsomely for it, but money and piles.of.useless.**** are not the goal.
 

Da Peach

Outwitted by a rodent
Jul 2, 2002
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How many years until you get a nice watch for service at your current job? Might be worth holding out.