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kidwoo

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Where do you go if you're a law abiding citizen who has firearms in common use for lawful and practical purposes, including but not limited to self defense and hunting?
Hey you brought it up. Huntin' rifles is fine but they (all) should be registered. The self defense mentality in this country isn't really on solid self defense logic most of the time. That's not solely gun laws, that a fvcked up culture perpetuated by the NRA and the ilk.


Two sides to the equal protection coin
That clause doesn't actually mean what you think it means. There are all kinds of things I use for work that you can't buy (and maybe vice versa) just because you're a citizen. I can use them because the people that sell them know exactly who I am, who I work for and any misuse is traceable. That applies to a whole host of potentially dangerous raw materials and equipment that firearms aren't subject to in far too many states.
 

Big J

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Sort of glanced over this thread and all I have to say, wow......I thought gun control was staying on target not working one self up in to a frenzy, wtf

Btw…assault weapon/rifle is a political description of rifles the anti-gun movement would like banned. In the real world of firearms there’s no such thing as an assault rifle.
 

Jm_

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Jan 14, 2002
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Sort of glanced over this thread and all I have to say, wow......I thought gun control was staying on target not working one self up in to a frenzy, wtf

Btw…assault weapon/rifle is a political description of rifles the anti-gun movement would like banned. In the real world of firearms there’s no such thing as an assault rifle.
Actually there is, the German StG 44 is regarded as the world's first "assault rifle", and it's name, Sturmgewehr, literally means "assault rifle". It was the first to combine a shortened rifle round with full auto-capability in a shortened carbine rifle-sized package with a pistol grip. Previously, weapons like the "grease gun", thompson, and russian PPSh-41 did not combine all of these features into one. The StG-44 was also very direct inspiration for the AK47, the world's most successful assault rifle. The idea of an "assault rifle" is a shorter and less powerful round than used in weapons like the M1 and M14, so you can carry more rounds and be more mobile. The german weapon was originally intended for paratroopers, but the concept eventually filtered down to all infantryman, because you simply didn't need the accuracy and range of the M1 most of the time. With a scope, the M1 is super deadly, but it's just not efficient to train all soldiers to that level of proficiency, not to mention what a terrible close-combat weapon it is.


In more modern times, we've seen all sorts of assault rifles, most commonly calibered in 5.45 up to 7.62, but general concept is still the same. All you have to do is look at a hunting rifle to see the difference.

I would equate any weapon that is designed to hurt or kill humans an "assault" weapon, meaning that your .22 and some hunting weapons would not be classified as such, but most pistols and and "assault rifles"? Heck yeah.

assault is the act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person
So a weapon designed to harm people, and it happens to be a rifle, hence, "assault rifle". Not a stretch.
 
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IH8Rice

I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!
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Im over here now
Therefore no gun laws!

Brilliant deduction as usual since a guy no has ever heard of who sucks at english is obviously 100% of our representation.

Thank you for saving us!
so because youve never heard of CA's next leader of their Senate makes his idiotic comments less dumberer? the morons who support him and people like him dont know any better. all they see is scary guns and scary terms.
did i say he represented everyone? nope.
 
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Pesqueeb

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Riding the baggage carousel.
so because youve never heard of CA's next leader of their Senate makes his idiotic comments less dumberer? the morons who support him and people like him dont know any better. all they see is scary guns and scary terms.
did i say he represented everyone? nope.
Kevin de León is a Democratic member of the California State Senate, elected to serve Los Angeles County's 22nd Senatorial district in November 2010. The district includes Downtown Los Angeles, East Hollywood, Echo Park, Elysian Valley, Mt. Washington, Lincoln Heights, South Los Angeles, the Cities of Alhambra, South Pasadena, San Marino, Vernon and Maywood, and unincorporated portions of Los Angeles County.
So maybe he's not up on technical terms, so what? I'm guessing he represents the majority opinion in his district. You know, like it's his job or something. Obviously, that means he's Hitler, hates Freedom®, and everyone should have the right to open carry an assault rifle to the yearly kindergarten picnic.
 

jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
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So maybe he's not up on technical terms, so what? I'm guessing he represents the majority opinion in his district. You know, like it's his job or something. Obviously, that means he's Hitler, hates Freedom®, and everyone should have the right to open carry an assault rifle to the yearly kindergarten picnic.
those soda cans won't shoot themselves open
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding the baggage carousel.
Funny enough, his wikipedia page is very short, and contains practically zero information about his political stances on any subject except one:
DeLeon drew the ire of gun rights advocates following a January, 2014 press conference, in which he improperly used various pieces of weapon terminology interchangeably. He did so in a way that both contradicted the actual functions of those items, and incorrectly claimed that a semiautomatic firearm was capable of firing as many as thirty rounds in one half of one second, which is a higher rate of fire than the MG 42 heavy machine gun and similar to that of the airplane-mounted GAU-12 Equalizer:[6]
But according to gun-tards, he might as well have raped a baby with a statue of the virgin Mary on the alter while peeing on the Constitution. The horror!
 

jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
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so because youve never heard of CA's next leader of their Senate makes his idiotic comments less dumberer? the morons who support him and people like him dont know any better. all they see is scary guns and scary terms.
did i say he represented everyone? nope.
what's that? a career politician isn't a SME?! i for one am SHOCKED and APPALLED.
 

kidwoo

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so because youve never heard of CA's next leader of their Senate makes his idiotic comments less dumberer? the morons who support him and people like him dont know any better. all they see is scary guns and scary terms.
did i say he represented everyone? nope.
I'm not the one missing the point. In fact most of what you have in this thread is along this line of thinking and you STILL don't get mine.

So which is worse, a guy with poor understanding of specific terminology who (worst case scenario) gets one tiny little segment of a non essential device regulated. Or a multimillion dollar lobby firm who gets gun regulations further lifted following a mass murder of kids, gets guns in bars, and gets a law forbidding the Dept of Health and Human Services from collecting firearm accident statistics?

No one dies from mr. public speaking panic attack over there getting a bill passed. And your constant deflecting of any kind of meaningful argument by going "har har, him not know magazine!" just shows that you really still just don't get it.

ALEC and the NRA are a much bigger threat to reason and logic in legislation than that dude. But you think that guy's terminology ignorance is just such a big deal, you won't even start a conversation. It's a dumb distraction, not any kind of reasoned position.

It's the same thing as fixating on whether or not "the gun community" uses the term assault rifle. No one cares what "the gun community" thinks any more. It's thanks to the illogical fervency of "the gun community" that so many people get shot in this third world redneck fantasy masquerading as a civilized nation. "The gun community" fights for the rights of psychos to get guns, not those of kids to not get shot.

So Imma go fill up a few rounds with my magazine packed clips and shoot a few assault rifles out ma P.ersonal E.mpowerment N.ecessity for I.ndividual S.ecurity (just my little nickname ya see)
 
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binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
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So The Gun Community gets to use inaccurate terminology as a reason to discard an entire line of thinking, yet when the right wing (who has a lot of overlap with The Gun Community) abuses and mangles peer-reviewed science to fit its agenda regarding topics like abortion and climate change, that's okay?
 

JohnE

filthy rascist
May 13, 2005
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Front Range, dude...
So The Gun Community gets to use inaccurate terminology as a reason to discard an entire line of thinking, yet when the right wing (who has a lot of overlap with The Gun Community) abuses and mangles peer-reviewed science to fit its agenda regarding topics like abortion and climate change, that's okay?
Stop making sense, it wont get you anywhere!
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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http://crooksandliars.com/2014/01/doomsday-prepper-arrested-gun-charges

Smith, who was featured firing all kinds of weapons he and his friends had stockpiled, in fact was a convicted felon forbidden to own or use weapons. He was arrested by Pierce County deputies on Wednesday.

Smith has two felonies on his record already: In 2009, court records show, Smith was caught fondling a 14-year-old girl in an Auburn parking lot and wound up pleading guilty to “communicating with a minor for immoral purposes.” In 2009, after failing to pay for a motorcycle he purchased, he pleaded guilty to first-degree theft in Pierce County.
 

chicodude

The Spooninator
Mar 28, 2004
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seriously. I had this argument at work and it just doesn't matter. In true american fashion its what suits my paranoia at the moment dead school kids be damned
 

kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
So The Gun Community gets to use inaccurate terminology as a reason to discard an entire line of thinking, yet when the right wing (who has a lot of overlap with The Gun Community) abuses and mangles peer-reviewed science to fit its agenda regarding topics like abortion and climate change, that's okay?
But he said 'clip!'

CLIPPP!!!!!!!!!!
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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We can trust them with guns...but welfare money or foodstamps? Not a chance...
 
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Big J

Monkey
Jul 18, 2005
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Right or Left issue, I don’t think so......more likely a matter of mental health care and pandering career politicians. The erosion of personal rights is never a good thing and both political camps are guilty.

Listening to today’s political rhetoric while looking back at history is a bit disconcerting. Last year I think I heard a CA politician call opponents of more Federal expansion ‘Reactionaries’, a term I hadn’t seen nor heard in recent times since it was used during Stalin’s reign to label then eliminate/kill anyone who spoke out against the government.

If most were to read “Bloodlands, Europe Between Hitler and Stalin” by Timothy Snyder your views on gun control may temper.

Anyways, good luck with your debate…….

J