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Any generous graphic designers?

Freeridin'

Monkey
Oct 23, 2006
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I'm in the preliminary stages of opening a small bike shop and online retailer. I'm looking for some help with logo design, nothing too crazy. PM if you're at all interested.

All I've got to offer right now are bro deals once set up.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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Graphic designers don't like to work for free, or even bro deals. In all seriousness, they don't.
 

AngryMetalsmith

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If you want a pro, you have to pay.

However, if there is an Art School nearby then you might be able to hire a communications arts major for a very reasonable student rate. But be warned they will take this project very seriously, and if they sense you don't have your sh!t together they won't work with you. These kids work their asses off and have little free time.

Respect !
 
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Freeridin'

Monkey
Oct 23, 2006
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Anyone that can open photoshop/illustrator is welcome.

Ha, art students....always the serious buisness savy type forsure.
 
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stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
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Anyone that can open photoshop/illustrator is welcome.

Ha, art students....always the serious buisness savy type forsure.
Seriously? We are looking at farming out some basic design work for Wifey's business and they are the great for that purpose. They get portfolio material and a nice little check, you get a project completed.

The bike industry is not how the world operates. Bro-deals don't really exist in most of the real world, especially when that product being sold is labor. Time=money. A designer only has so much time. It's not like a shop is giving you 20% off. The shop gets a return customer and their mark-up for the same time commitment is slightly less.

Find an art student, pitch what you are looking for and give them a price. For a pro, you are looking at ~$100-120/hr. For a student you can expect closer to $65-70/hr. Negotiate a price around that assumption. They should know how much time it will take. They will put together a few logo's and give them back to you for revisions. Wifey will do 3 logo's and 2 rounds of revisions. If that is not enough for the client, she starts charging the client hourly at that point. This is pretty standard and saves everybody time and money.

On a side note, based on the two post you have in this thread, I have concluded that you are a dick. Please let me know what your shop name is so that I can avoid it.
 
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stevew

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Anyone that can open photoshop/illustrator is welcome.

Ha, art students....always the serious buisness savy type forsure.
ha....someone starting a shop....broke in 6 months.

what's pictured on site will never be in stock.
 
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Freeridin'

Monkey
Oct 23, 2006
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As stated, a professional is not needed. The threads title could be clearer. I posted here looking for someone with a shared interest of bikes and who is willing to spare some time in exchange for discounted parts. If that doesn't sounds reasonable to you then carry on. I understand that a pro can't pay bills and buy groceries with discounted bike parts.

Clearly, my comment about art students can't be applied to everyone. However, with my girlfriend working on a masters in studio art, I'm not so quick to dish out respect to the undergraduate studio art majors she TAs. The majority of semester long final projects are started days before they are due. A chicken tender strung up above a water fountain was my personal favorite. Granted a studio art degree is not the same as a communications or advertising degree. Much respect to students who value their education and degree, unfortunately they might be the minority.

Seeing all the memes posted around I'm sure something can be conjured up.
 

rideit

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Having owned a shop in the past, the way it would typically work is I would pay a somewhat discounted rate to the artist, and they would have had temporary access to some parts at cost, or pro form on a bike or something.
Not just an offer of a discount.
It's an insult to the artist.
Just be aware of that.
 

CBJ

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Mar 19, 2002
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Look at Jensonusa and Chain Reaction cycles almost the same logo and they are both crap. There does not seem to be any correlation between logo quality and success so don't worry too much.
 

H8R

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I'm not so quick to dish out respect to the undergraduate studio art majors she TAs.
That's a bunch of asshole students your talking about. A graphic designer who is trying to make a living is a different thing.

This is like saying, "Hey I'm building a new house, is there anyone here who would generously wire up the electrical system for a set of Hopes?"

Graphic Design is a trade. Respect it.
 

syadasti

i heart mac
Apr 15, 2002
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Look at Jensonusa and Chain Reaction cycles almost the same logo and they are both crap. There does not seem to be any correlation between logo quality and success so don't worry too much.
One of the most successful niche etailers in my industry has a sh1t website that looks like it was made in the 90s but he makes up for it with a good youtube channels, whoring himself out to brands, and lots of helpful information on his websites.
 

AngryMetalsmith

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If you want to have actual customers, who are willing to give you their credit card info online, then you goddamn better have a legitimate looking web presence. And that means professionally done branding by a graphic designer.

Only fools are going to buy from a sketchy, untrustworthy looking, e-commerce site. But hey, maybe your M.O. is to fleece those unsuspecting customers of their hard earned cash. Which will enevitably lead to a thread in the Bad Sellers forum.
 

AngryMetalsmith

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The promise of a discount in the future when the shop opens...

This just pisses me off till no end. I've been burned by this very same phrase. Work your ass off for no pay, little recognition, if any, and be dictated to by some entitled prick who thinks he's doing you a favor by "hiring" you.

I guess what I'm really trying to say here is :

 

H8R

Cranky Pants
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Ok...I got it covered.


Send me a set of Oury Grips once you open shop.


logo.jpg
 

Jim Mac

MAKE ENDURO GREAT AGAIN
May 21, 2004
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As I am married to a freelance graphic designer with a MA degree and whose clients are mostly large business/journalistic colleges and PR firms in the northeast, I can wholeheartedly attest to H8R's message.

If you want a pro logo, you should work with a pro and they are not cheap.
 

MMike

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Since the thread has fallen apart, I will throw this out there.

Our company spent a crappile of money on "branding" last year. We got a new logo, and "tag line".

Much to our amusement, the "new" logo ended being nearly a direct copy of another company with the same name. And the tag line was the same as another company we sometimes partner with....they even had the domain.

I was able to discover this in approximately 30 seconds of googling. Facepalms abounded.

So the assertion that "pro" graphic designers will get you what you pay for (like in all industries), may not always be so.
 

Pesqueeb

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Feb 2, 2007
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Since the thread has fallen apart, I will throw this out there.

Our company spent a crappile of money on "branding" last year. We got a new logo, and "tag line".

Much to our amusement, the "new" logo ended being nearly a direct copy of another company with the same name. And the tag line was the same as another company we sometimes partner with....they even had the domain.

I was able to discover this in approximately 30 seconds of googling. Facepalms abounded.

So the assertion that "pro" graphic designers will get you what you pay for (like in all industries), may not always be so.

Maybe you should have gone with a union guy?
 

jonKranked

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Nov 10, 2005
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Since the thread has fallen apart, I will throw this out there.

Our company spent a crappile of money on "branding" last year. We got a new logo, and "tag line".

Much to our amusement, the "new" logo ended being nearly a direct copy of another company with the same name. And the tag line was the same as another company we sometimes partner with....they even had the domain.

I was able to discover this in approximately 30 seconds of googling. Facepalms abounded.

So the assertion that "pro" graphic designers will get you what you pay for (like in all industries), may not always be so.
i thought the mounties mandate that all corporate branding in canada be identical? that is, a maple leaf.
 

CrabJoe StretchPants

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Nov 30, 2003
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So the assertion that "pro" graphic designers will get you what you pay for (like in all industries), may not always be so.
I hate to agree with MMike, but that was my experience as well at my last job.

We paid big bucks to a few industrial/graphic designers to propose a whole new color/graphics/logo scheme to all our solar capital equipment to make it more modern looking to compete with all the Euro equipment on the market (read: look like spaceships). From one "professional designer", the result looked nothing more than the fill bucket in MS Paint to the CAD files I supplied, as well as what looked like (I sh1t you not) the Raisin Bran sun logo on the corner of all the machines. It was the most laughable thing I've ever seen at a professional level.

Then again, another bidder provided some unbelievably well done concepts, well worth the money. So, YMMV. It looks like this guy is looking for Raisin Bran man.
 
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Jim Mac

MAKE ENDURO GREAT AGAIN
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Devil's advocate, or tales form the other side of the equation:

So, my wife was asked to do work for a sports journalism office of some big northeastern college to design a new logo for them. When she began her conversation on what they were looking for, the person in charge said something to the effect of "Kind of like the CBS eye logo, but more sportier!"

He wanted total control of the design....:hmm:

(said CBS Eye):


So, when you essentially want a copy of someone else's logo, you get someone else's logo.
 
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jonKranked

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Devil's advocate, or tales form the other side of the equation:

So, my wife was asked to do work for a sports journalism office of some big northeastern college to design a new logo for them. When she began her conversation on what they were looking for, the person in charge said something to the effect of "Kind of like the CBS eye logo, but more sportier!"

He wanted total control of the design....:hmm:

(said CBS Eye):


So, when you essentially want a copy of someone else's logo, you get someone else's logo.
can i get the icon in cornflower blue?