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birdman2447

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So I have been riding a 2011 boxxer wc since it was new. I am picking up a base model 2014 fury with the fox 40r. I am planning on selling both forks and picking up something new. Maybe a 888evo or a new 40.

Reading the review for the new charger damper equipped boxxer has got me thinking about buying a charger damper for my 2011 fork. But the avalanche cartridge is what really has caught my eye. Is that cartridge really as good as everyone says? It's still a open bath so dose it fade on long dh runs?

I am not a maraz fan but the new evo looks to be an excellent fork.

And the devo looks amazing but I refuse to spend that much.

What's on the too of you guys list for new forks?
 
norbar

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Tomasz said:
I take it you haven't ridden the Pike.

Get the Charger.
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I take you haven't taken apart the Pike. RS internals build quality has never been the best. Also Solo air is crap and the new update still doesn't solve the biggest issue that caused the fork to be bad.

I'd say buy an ava cart but if you are heavier also go to a spring version of the boxxer.
 
dan-o

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kidwoo said:
Which is what?
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Here's his comment from the new boxxer thread:
What has changed in solo air? Is there still an elastomer in the negative chamber? If it is screw RS.

My lyric solo air DH has been the best for I've owned in ages.
I'm done trying to make Fox forks work well and will be getting a new boxxer instead of a 40 for my v10.
CCDBa for all shock duties but would like to try the RS stuff at some point, just not with my $.
 
norbar

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kidwoo said:
I've owned or at least ridden and messed with every upper end solo air fork RS has made in the last few years.

The air spring ain't their problem. :D
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It's part of it. After I switched to avy I also gained some weight (bought mine in the off season) put the damper in and the fork felt strange. Very good damping wise but lost all sensitivity, very harsh on braking bumps. Talked to Craig about it. Then asked Udi and Steave M. Got the same answer from all three of them. The negative spring in the solo air causes unocesssary preload over certain pressures. Those pressures are pretty damn low and if I remember right mean it will be crap for anyone riding with 20% sag that is 70kg and heavier. That is a big issue.

If you need I can look up what Craig sent me. The short story, go team.
 
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Soo.......you're basing that off of how the fork felt when you stuck an aftermarket damper in there. And damn, I didn't think it was possible to get those things to be less stutter compliant than stock ;)

There are a lot weird things about the WC boxxers up until this point (the negative spring preloading certainly one of them, I know exactly what they're talking about).



Man if only there were something that could cut that impenetrable diamond plated rubber.

I ran my fork without one there after it got all torn up from the schrader that sets the negative pressure getting plugged. I even started a thread on here when it happened trying to figure it out.









It still sucked :D

As far as team vs. WC, my gripes about this recent era boxxers had zero to do with the air spring. I rode both for a while. I mean it's not exactly a complex system. You can mess with it. Especially if you think it's really do to those squishy elastomer things that seem to let every other air fork they make work fine.
 
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norbar

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kidwoo said:
Soo.......you're basing that off of how the fork felt when you stuck an aftermarket damper in there. And damn, I didn't think it was possible to get those things to be less stutter compliant than stock ;)

There are a lot weird things about the WC boxxers up until this point (the negative spring preloading certainly one of them, I know exactly what they're talking about).



Man if only there were something that could cut that impenetrable diamond plated rubber.

I ran my fork without one there after it got all torn up from the schrader that sets the negative pressure getting plugged. I even started a thread on here when it happened trying to figure it out.









It still sucked :D

As far as team vs. WC, my gripes about this recent era boxxers had zero to do with the air spring. I rode both for a while. I mean it's not exactly a complex system. You can mess with it. Especially if you think it's really do to those squishy elastomer things that seem to let every other air fork they make work fine.
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Come on, I tried avy forks before, I think you have also tried avy forks. I know it's not a damping problem and I know the cart is aligned. I've also ridden an ex-team avy boxxer and it was way better. The spiky, ****ty feel has been one of the reason some pros still choose spring.

As for other elastomer using solo air forks I guess it may be different spring chamber size meaning the preload happens at different pressures (ie. ones above an anorectic 15 year old would use)
 
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I've owned several boxxers including an R2C2 from new, several other RS products, and finally I just recently got a pike. I've also owned a 888 CR from new. I haven't owned a Fox besides a 32RL back in the day.

The 888 was worlds better than the R2C2. Both were new, the boxxer has 2x the knobs, but holy crap, the bump response was just so much better on the marz. I feel like I was able to go so much faster because my fork was actually absorbing stuff instead of just bouncing off it. The 888 was very divey, and rebound was a bit tough to get exactly where I wanted it, if I want to pick nits, but I'd rather have the functional 888 than the squishy rigid boxxer, and that's a fork that's half the price.

Now, the pike feels great, so far. To be honest, I haven't pushed it where I'd be concerned about high speed stutter bumps...but its stroke feels comparable to the 888, which is a very good thing, and a first for an RS product in my hands.

So, as for what I would choose, it certainly wouldn't be putting a better damper in an IMO inferior chassis. I'd grab the marz for better small bump compliance and better seals and better reliability but perhaps less adjustability, or be a guinea pig and buy a new boxxer, but I'd be concerned with facing all sorts of fun problems if you start toying with your boxxer, like misaligned lowers, etc. etc.
 
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the macaroni 888 from last year would be a fine option to drop a fancy cartridge in, but honestly if the price is competitive, I'd just try out the 380. I don't have much time on the rc3 damper just the CR.
 
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Sandwich said:
the macaroni 888 from last year would be a fine option to drop a fancy cartridge in, but honestly if the price is competitive, I'd just try out the 380. I don't have much time on the rc3 damper just the CR.
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i'm running a fudge 40 with the avacado cranberries and i'm really pleased with it.
 
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