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Whistle Blower

fro biker

Monkey
Oct 18, 2006
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in the sticks
I am here to address a growing concern of mine, highlighted by some events this weekend at the ESC race at Killington:


Where are all the course marshals?



In the earlier years of racing, at every single race, from Mt Snow to Mtn Creek, there were marshals [volunteers] track side with whistles and radios - both on Saturday and Sunday. Up until 2012 (the year I took off from racing), there was a steady decline in their presence, though they were still scattered along the course. But now, I don't see anyone out there who would be able to aid me in a time of crisis or concern, and this is not acceptable.

The sounds of whistles and the crackle of radios was as common place as bird songs out on the hill, but now, all is quiet, and this is cause for alarm. After noticing the lack of marshals in 2013 and thus far in 2014, I am bringing this forward in an attempt to make this issue heard. After hearing of an incident at Killington just this weekend, a severe situation in which a course hold and class rerun was instituted, I was shocked to hear that there were only a couple medics there to attend to the rider, and it was up to the spectators and a racer to call a halt to the race.

Not only is this unacceptable for race day, but this is also an issue during the two days of practice on Friday and Saturday.
With mixed categories sharing one track, making sure that the track is clear for riding should be top priority. With Cat 2/3 racers sharing one ribbon of dirt with Cat1 and Pro riders, there is going to be a lot of discrepancy in ability and race etiquette. Marshals are there to regulate traffic, impose rules, provide guidance, and above all, make sure rider safety is established. I have been hearing too many pit-chats about riders rounding blind turns or approaching jumps/drops/fast/technical sections to find a rider down unannounced, or simply not being informed about an upcoming incident on track, despite multiple by-standers and/or other stopped riders.

I understand that organizing a race is no cake walk, but, more needs to be done about on-track safety in regards to marshaling. I can't think of any other sport similar to ours that doesn't have track-side support at regular intervals for all days of practice and race days. After ten years of racing, I have come to expect certain levels of support at races. I can understand a glitch in timing; I get that delays happen. There is no excuse though for leaving and entire (or large sections of) track unattended when 200+ people are out on course pushing the limits of mind, body, and engineering.

If it is a matter of just getting a headcount, all is takes is asking spectators to volunteer their time while out on track to aid in rider safety and course regulation. Compensate them with a bagged lunch and tshirt or something of the like. This was standard procedure for countless years at Mtn Creek, Platty, and Mt Snow - I know because my mom and dad were always volunteer course marshals. There are plenty of WAGs and BAHs who would be game to have a radio, whistle, food, and tshirt while they watch there significant other fly by every 20minutes. It also helps build a sense of community and camaraderie amongst the racers and fans.

My hopes for this piece are two-fold:
1. Just get marshals out there with whistles and radios.
2. Getting people, riders and spectators alike, to lookout for one another out there.

Thanks for reading and being a part of this conversation. If you wish to share some constructive thoughts, constructive ideas, constructive concerns, or anything else that is relevant, please positively add to the conversation.
 

- seb

Turbo Monkey
Apr 10, 2002
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In the UK the rule is that each marshal should have line-of-sight to the next one. In reality that rule is stretched a bit, but generally we have nearly a full complement of them. A two-minute track would typically have 8-10 marshals in the UK, somewhere like Fort William more like 25.

This is pretty strictly enforced too, by our governing body British Cycling, and race organisers are normally on Facebook a few days before an event begging people to come and help out. Not enough marshals? No practice, no racing.

Generally they're paid £30-£40 per day, and get given a lunch. Which is fine if it's a nice sunny weekend, but isn't much compensation if it's lashing it down all day!
 

TrumbullHucker

trumbullruxer
Aug 29, 2005
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shimzbury, ct
didnt race but i had a couple buddies racing at killington... would not want them to go down hard and have no one around to help them

in on this
 

Electric_City

Torture wrench
Apr 14, 2007
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I agree. Reading didn't have any either and there were two instances that I saw where they were needed.
I went over the A-frame and a guy had wrecked. I skidded out and stopped, but knew my buddy was coming behind me. Some girl was standing above and I'm yelling to her repetitively to stop the riders as she's cluelessly staring at me. Finally I screamed "STOP THE FU*+ING RIDERS!" and then she did something. The other was during the race run. A Pro wrecked on the road gap. The crowd reacted and people weren'tsure if he crashed or not. Someone started to say that we needed to stop the next racer from hitting it. As spectators started yelling from the next guy to stop, he was already sending it. Everyone was alright, but now guys were running up course and stopped the next racer which at this point was in the clear. They both did their runs again, but to not have someone at the road gap or the A-frame?
 

canadmos

Cake Tease
May 29, 2011
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I couldn't agree more. This is one of those sports where anything could happen. Its rare, but such serious injuries can spring up at any moment, especially when you have inexperienced riders tossing themselves down an unfamiliar trail.

Maybe a better incentive beyond a lunch and free stuff would be a discounted entry fee for any racers that have parents or significant others who volunteer their time?
 

kickstand

Turbo Monkey
Sep 18, 2009
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Fenton, MI
I couldn't agree more. This is one of those sports where anything could happen. Its rare, but such serious injuries can spring up at any moment, especially when you have inexperienced riders tossing themselves down an unfamiliar trail.

Maybe a better incentive beyond a lunch and free stuff would be a discounted entry fee for any racers that have parents or significant others who volunteer their time?
This idea is grand!! :thumb:

My 8 Year old keeps wanting to race, he's slow, he's small, he's not very strong, but he can typically pick his way down most courses. I keep not letting him race because I don't feel there is enough course marshalling for me to feel safe allowing him to ride down by himself. I'm sure most promoter's will let me follow him, but the logistics of that can sometimes be a pain.

Regardless, I think the promoter's do a great job, I'm sure there job is plenty hard, and I do not want to criticize any of them for putting on the events that I enjoy going to so much. But I would feel a bit more comfortable with more course marshals. It's a dangerous sport and precautionary measures to make sure racers are safe is always a good thing.
 

jackalope

Mental acuity - 1%
Jan 9, 2004
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in a single wide, cooking meth...
Problem solved!



But yeah, I think everyone could get behind having proper course marshal coverage. I like candmos's idea about encouraging family members to grab an orange vest & whistle, and maybe offer a discounted/free lift pass to local riders if they'll come marshal. Either that or provide them with free circa 1880 wild west marshal outfits.
 

fro biker

Monkey
Oct 18, 2006
162
0
in the sticks
In the UK the rule is that each marshal should have line-of-sight to the next one. In reality that rule is stretched a bit, but generally we have nearly a full complement of them. A two-minute track would typically have 8-10 marshals in the UK, somewhere like Fort William more like 25.

This is pretty strictly enforced too, by our governing body British Cycling, and race organisers are normally on Facebook a few days before an event begging people to come and help out. Not enough marshals? No practice, no racing.

Generally they're paid £30-£40 per day, and get given a lunch. Which is fine if it's a nice sunny weekend, but isn't much compensation if it's lashing it down all day!

Our race series need to take a look at this. All of the coverage we see of BDS racers and iXS races provides insight about how we need to be doing things. The marshals are as much of a staple in the videos as the racers. The bit about compensation is going to be a hurdle here in the of "cheaper the better", but hopefully people will see past that for the sake of racers and the sport as a whole.
 

SylentK

Turbo Monkey
Feb 25, 2004
2,329
875
coloRADo
Wow. Our Mountain States Cup series NEVER had marshals or bitches blowin whistles. It was weird when they were present for the nationals at Sol Vista. Not a concern IMO. HTFU. ;)
 

TrumbullHucker

trumbullruxer
Aug 29, 2005
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shimzbury, ct
lol harden the fuk up


lol

yeah not a concern to you, but to the other mates that might take a mean fuking digger... they might enjoy the 'bitches blowing whistles'
 

time-bomb

Monkey
May 2, 2008
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right here -> .
'bitches blowing whistles' in wet t-shirts = awesomeness (and probably more racers will turn out too)............and probably more accidents too since our eyes won't be on the course :eek::D
 

jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
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Our race series need to take a look at this. All of the coverage we see of BDS racers and iXS races provides insight about how we need to be doing things. The marshals are as much of a staple in the videos as the racers. The bit about compensation is going to be a hurdle here in the of "cheaper the better", but hopefully people will see past that for the sake of racers and the sport as a whole.
that's the problem really; oversight (or lack thereof) from the US governing body (USAC). mtb in general isn't high on their priority list, and DH is even lower on that list. nationals yea, they do pretty good, but for local series it's quite a challenge because marshals are all volunteers.
 

Smurfette

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Dec 29, 2011
48
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Just from another perspective... I was there at the finish waiting for my friend to come through... It was then that the one racer had the incident....Immediately the calls came down the hill and the timers were told and top was radioed to hold the racers. From the time the racer went down to the point when the medics came down past me with him on a quad was not more that 15 to 20 minutes or so not bad for a on mountain rescue.

During my practice there was a course marshall in the wooded /rock section...then during the race there were more on course. just because they don't have whistles doesn't make it less safe.. I think Killington did an overall amazing job this weekend.

Thank you Killington and Eastern States Cup for a great weekend, thoughts with the racer who got injured heal fast!