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stoney

stoney

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Helping a friend update his '03 Yeti ASX - fork, shock and wheels. The new fork will be a 15mm axle, so he will need new wheels. The budget we are working around gives me ~$300-400 for wheels. He is 180# and rides light. I'm looking for something on the lighter end of all-mountain/enduro, but I'm not really sure what's out there. Requirements are 15mm front axle, tubeless, and if possible 10mm bolt-on capable for the rear. I can find Mavic Crossride and Crossmax, but honestly don't know much about either set. Even a cheap wheelset built on 819's is at the top end of the price range. Any suggestions?

As for other parts, as I'm sure it will be asked:
Fox 32 150 or 34 160 - still looking at price, etc
Fox Float RP23 CTD shock

Thanks.
 
Full Trucker

Full Trucker

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I personally don't like the Mavic system wheelsets, I think the hubs need too much service too often. A couple of friends with current gen Mavic wheelsets have anecdotally confirmed this as well.

My $.02: I've been running a DT 1750 wheelset for years, and have been really pleased with the performance and strength. And I'm no "light rider" at 190+ of running the fvck into sh!t, you've ridden with me you know. Essentially these are a 5.1D or 500 series DT rim, they aren't tubless but I've had great luck with setting them up either using the DT strips, Stan's kit, or ghetto using all types of different tires. If you get the EX-1750 wheelset the front and rear hubs are convertible to whatever through axle config you need. It's not crazy wide, but it has a 21mm internal width (same as a the mythical unicorn of Mavic 821) and works just dandy with big tyres.

Even as a lightweight, I personally think 819's are too narrow.

That said, ya'll should be able to pick up a strong, light, stiff, and otherwise baller wheelset of the 26" variety for a song and a dance. Literally, learn how to tap, jitterbug, or swing and people with throw their outdated, inferior, totally useless wheels at you. They'll beg you to take them.
 
stoney

stoney

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Full Trucker said:
I personally don't like the Mavic system wheelsets, I think the hubs need too much service too often. A couple of friends with current gen Mavic wheelsets have anecdotally confirmed this as well.

My $.02: I've been running a DT 1750 wheelset for years, and have been really pleased with the performance and strength. And I'm no "light rider" at 190+ of running the fvck into sh!t, you've ridden with me you know. Essentially these are a 5.1D or 500 series DT rim, they aren't tubless but I've had great luck with setting them up either using the DT strips, Stan's kit, or ghetto using all types of different tires. If you get the EX-1750 wheelset the front and rear hubs are convertible to whatever through axle config you need. It's not crazy wide, but it has a 21mm internal width (same as a the mythical unicorn of Mavic 821) and works just dandy with big tyres.

Even as a lightweight, I personally think 819's are too narrow.

That said, ya'll should be able to pick up a strong, light, stiff, and otherwise baller wheelset of the 26" variety for a song and a dance. Literally, learn how to tap, jitterbug, or swing and people with throw their outdated, inferior, totally useless wheels at you. They'll beg you to take them.
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Let me know if you find any of those floating around.
 
HAB

HAB

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SkaredShtles said:
I went cheap Chinese carbon, which are a wee bit out of his price range... but man are they nice-riding wheels.
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I'm blown away by how awesome carbon wheels ride. Granted I went full retard and bought Enves, so they better be fvcking awesome given how much the damn things cost...
 
AngryMetalsmith

AngryMetalsmith

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Mavic should stick to what it does best, manufacturing rims, and stop producing hubs. Had nothing but trouble from two rear Mavic wheels. My Crosstrail rear hub developed so much play in the free hub body that it eventually threw the chain into the spokes, twisted the chain and completely obliterated my XTR rdrl.

They use a bushing instead of a bearing on the inside of the free hub body that wears out very quickly. $600 wheelset and uses fvcking bushings ?

Mavic's idea of customer service is about as functional as their part munching hubs. They want you to take the wheels to an LBS (even if you didn't buy them there) and have them ship them to Mavic. Then someone in customer service would be able to tell you how much it would cost to repair the wheel, which is still under warranty. Assholes...
 
stoney

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SkaredShtles said:
I went cheap Chinese carbon, which are a wee bit out of his price range... but man are they nice-riding wheels.
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How many spokes have you broken?
 
jackalope

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Full Trucker said:
I personally don't like the Mavic system wheelsets, I think the hubs need too much service too often. A couple of friends with current gen Mavic wheelsets have anecdotally confirmed this as well.

My $.02: I've been running a DT 1750 wheelset for years, and have been really pleased with the performance and strength. And I'm no "light rider" at 190+ of running the fvck into sh!t, you've ridden with me you know. Essentially these are a 5.1D or 500 series DT rim, they aren't tubless but I've had great luck with setting them up either using the DT strips, Stan's kit, or ghetto using all types of different tires. If you get the EX-1750 wheelset the front and rear hubs are convertible to whatever through axle config you need. It's not crazy wide, but it has a 21mm internal width (same as a the mythical unicorn of Mavic 821) and works just dandy with big tyres.

Even as a lightweight, I personally think 819's are too narrow.

That said, ya'll should be able to pick up a strong, light, stiff, and otherwise baller wheelset of the 26" variety for a song and a dance. Literally, learn how to tap, jitterbug, or swing and people with throw their outdated, inferior, totally useless wheels at you. They'll beg you to take them.
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All of this.

Another possible option are the Sun Ringle Chargers Experts, and like the 1750s, you can convert them to any axle configuration, but they're also tubeless ready if that's important.

Not related, but do you know what the tune is on the RP23 and if its compatible with the ASX? Seems like most of the one I remember seeing had coil shocks.
 
HardtailHack

HardtailHack

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I built up some Spank Stiffee rims and for me they were too unforgiving for aggressive hardtail use, I had trouble keeping my feet on the pedals. I swapped the rims out for some Flow EX Rims which are good but I do see sealant around the bead and lose some pressure if I find some fun corners, couldn't run the Spank's tubeless which was a shame as they hold a tire bead in place like no other!(and snapo tyre levers)
 
CBJ

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HAB said:
I'm blown away by how awesome carbon wheels ride. Granted I went full retard and bought Enves, so they better be fvcking awesome given how much the damn things cost...
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I rode an Enve wheelset last month. If I didn't suck at riding mtb at the moment I would start saving. Just don't think help my lack of skills at slow technical riding.
 
jackalope

jackalope

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I'm actually really good at slow technical riding. I wish the industry would make a specific product line for us. Sloduro? Endurslo?

Possible products offerings could be a full face helmet you wear backwards (just cut out some eye holes), bronze Spanish conquistador chest armor, 2 sets of old roach knee/shin pads glued together, 200 cubic inch storage fanny pack, 10" brake rotors, and 1100 gram tires with nothing but braking paddle knobs.
 
slyfink

slyfink

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since we're (some people) are talking Spank rims, I have to ask if there is a way to take their g-d stickers off. I hate the brand name, it's juvenile and stupid, and besides, I like to run my rims stealth. I just purchased a Oozy 295 rim as a backup, but I'd like to find of way of either removing or blacking out the darn white graphics. I tried a sharpie, but it seems too thin, and that's a lot of white to sharpie out....
 
SkaredShtles

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slyfink said:
since we're (some people) are talking Spank rims, I have to ask if there is a way to take their g-d stickers off. I hate the brand name, it's juvenile and stupid, and besides, I like to run my rims stealth. I just purchased a Oozy 295 rim as a backup, but I'd like to find of way of either removing or blacking out the darn white graphics. I tried a sharpie, but it seems too thin, and that's a lot of white to sharpie out....
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Just get some cheap Chinese crabon. Comes stealth from the factory. :p
 
SkaredShtles

SkaredShtles

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CBJ said:
Which rims did you get?
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http://www.light-bicycle.com/wider-carbon-26er-bicycle-wheels-mountain-bike-downhill-wheels.html#.VBMpyfldWNk

Reminder: do NOT order with the aero spokes unless you are *really* easy on wheels. I've had not trouble with the front... but the rear caused me some grief.

They've got a wider option if you're ordering rim-only:

http://www.light-bicycle.com/New-26er-33mm-wide-enduro-MTB-all-mountain-downhill-carbon-rim-tubeless-compatible.html#.VBMqQfldWNk
 
stoney

stoney

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jackalope said:
Not related, but do you know what the tune is on the RP23 and if its compatible with the ASX? Seems like most of the one I remember seeing had coil shocks.
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Trying to confirm on that. I know the Fox DHX works. Just trying to sort out if the air does too. Need to talk w/ Yeti.

Worst case, we go used DHX5.0 and toss on a Ti spring. Anything to ditch the 5th Element.
 
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jasride

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What's wrong with a set of Azonic Outlaws?? I know they're on the heavy side apparently but from what I hear they are super durable and on the cheap end of the spectrum. The 15 mm adaptor is needed for the front but that's not expensive.
 
stoney

stoney

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jasride said:
What's wrong with a set of Azonic Outlaws?? I know they're on the heavy side apparently but from what I hear they are super durable and on the cheap end of the spectrum. The 15 mm adaptor is needed for the front but that's not expensive.
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Heavy wheels are counter productive. We are trying to lighten it up for more all-mountain, hence the airshock, fork, light wheels, etc.
 
MikeD

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Bikeman handbuilt wheels or equivalent...$60 labor, $30 14g spokes, $44/ea Sun Ryno Lite XLs (welded, great rims), $50-90 odd for the Shimano front hub and $50-odd for the XT/SRAM equivalent rear. I just got a SRAM front QR hub and like the bearings.
 
jstuhlman

jstuhlman

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Flame on, but I beat the piss out of my Easton havoc AMs for a good 3 years or so with about zero maintenance and only a broken spoke or two (due to my own horrible bike handling skills).
 
stoney

stoney

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Nick scored a set of 819/King's that we went with. Also picked up a new Fox 34 Talas 160 non-kashima for $425. Hard to argue that price. Just need to get tires, front axle adapter, Avalanche rebuilt on the shock and lower headset cup to finish up. Might be swapping to a carbon bar, Thomson stem and current generation XT cranks to drop about 2#, assuming I did my math right. Currently he has a full Truvativ Hollzfeller cockpit and cranks, so massive wieght to be lost there. I'm thinking we should be able to get him down towards 33#.

And before anybody says 'why didn't he get a new bike', his frame is barely used and we are building it up with current transferable parts if he decides to upgrade to a current frame. His cost will be ~$1200 for an upper-end current generation bike.
 
MikeD

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You got 819/Kings in that pricepoint? Are the cops after you for armed robbery?
 
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