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TrumbullHucker

trumbullruxer
Aug 29, 2005
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shimzbury, ct


Now there is nothing wrong with my '11 boxxer ( charger damper, enduro(before it became a thing) fork seals, oil flush regularly cause its damn easy) but my two buddies have RC2's of the same year and its been on my mind for a while to try one out. I like trying out new product, and i'm already bored as shit with winter-syndrome.
I know the whole " dont break it if its not broken " type mentality.. but if i can sell my boxxer for decent $$ then why not?

the plastic shit inside the boxxer i am not fond of either, and seeing the internals of my buddies 40s.. idk i just seems like they are constructed and put together better

oh and heres a gif for your time
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
23,928
14,450
where the trails are
Jenson is selling Float 40 in 27.5" for cheapo, like sub $900. Then you're already set for the inevitable switch to endu ... um .. more efficient sized DH bike in the future.
 

yd35

Monkey
Oct 28, 2008
741
61
NY
Biggest difference between Boxxers and 40s is chassis stiffness. Not a night and day difference, but noticeable.
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
11,580
2,006
Seattle
That's because they are.

Pre-very lately, the stiffness is more than a minor difference IMO. I actually think the fore-aft flex of the boxxers are part of what makes them bind and feel spikey.
It can't be the whole thing. My Dorado is flexier and doesn't have any of those sorts of issues. Which I 100% agree Boxxers do.
 

Da Peach

Outwitted by a rodent
Jul 2, 2002
13,681
4,904
North Van
Probably a bunch of anodized parts getting drunk and headbutting each other over a futbol matchup.
Sounds about right.

If that's all it takes for it to be 'roight, moight, y'roight. roight?

As for Marz, you might be right. Perhaps an X-fusion...
 

kickstand

Turbo Monkey
Sep 18, 2009
3,441
392
Fenton, MI
I'm on my third 40. I see no reason to switch. I have not had any problems.

Kashima (in my opinion) is a highly over rated thing...but i like the color better.

I have a float 40, it seems to do the trick very nicely for me.

I am not a pro. so take all comments with a rock of salt, I'm pretty clueless when it comes to pretending to be an expert.
 

jackalope

Mental acuity - 1%
Jan 9, 2004
7,596
5,894
in a single wide, cooking meth...
From what the etherweb tells me, 40's are too stiff and thusly make people with little bitch hands very sad. But I'm a solutions guy, and here's a quick fix for "40 Fingers Syndrome"



May want to throw a lizard skins shock boot on there to keep the gnarticles out, but this sick mod should keep your hands happy and the air cooling will improve dampening performance.

Merry X-mas.
 

4130biker

PM me about Tantrum Cycles!
May 24, 2007
3,883
448
Dude,
This is all you need to justify it to anyone, including yourself: It's a Christmas gift!

 

aenema

almost 100% positive
Sep 5, 2008
305
111
What, did the dude put the lowers on with the fork rotated around 180 degrees? Mission Control is on the wrong side. I am calling moron with this picture, entertaining as it is.



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iRider

Turbo Monkey
Apr 5, 2008
5,648
3,089
What, did the dude put the lowers on with the fork rotated around 180 degrees? Mission Control is on the wrong side. I am calling moron with this picture, entertaining as it is.
Funny fact: I have seen a fork coming back from Rock Shox service assembled that way. :(
 

jackalope

Mental acuity - 1%
Jan 9, 2004
7,596
5,894
in a single wide, cooking meth...
Funny fact: I have seen a fork coming back from Rock Shox service assembled that way. :(
It seems like you're failing to recognize the substantial advantages of adjustable fork offset and trail, to say nothing of running a brake on the right side of the fork.

*The more I look at the pic, the more I'm completely baffled as to what the fuck happened/is going on.
 

4130biker

PM me about Tantrum Cycles!
May 24, 2007
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It seems like you're failing to recognize the substantial advantages of adjustable fork offset and trail, to say nothing of running a brake on the right side of the fork.

*The more I look at the pic, the more I'm completely baffled as to what the fuck happened/is going on.
Dudes! I'm pretty sure it's just a mirror image of what is really going on. What type of photographic stupidity it took to do this, I do not know. :monkeydance:
 

S.K.C.

Turbo Monkey
Feb 28, 2005
4,096
25
Pa. / North Jersey
Aside from chassis stiffness the major difference I've found is the "feel" between the two. To me, Boxxers have more "pop" than a 40, but 40's are more plush (this is in regard to the coil-sprung 40's) in their stroke. In one of the old Boxxer threads I believe there was some commentary about the Boxxer "feeling" regressive in nature. It's a lot easier to pre-load the suspension and "hop" out of a flat corner the way a skier executes jump-turns in powder with a Boxxer in my experience.

I imagine since Minnaar and Peaty were both testing 40 FLOAT protos since the early stages of development and that since both of them were very much used to the damping characteristics of the Boxxer that the FLOAT version has a different "feel" than that of a coil-sprung 40. Anyone have ride time on both versions of the 40? (FLOAT and coil) I'm curious to know if the FLOAT "feels" different from a coil sprung 40 or like a Boxxer in any way.
 

kickstand

Turbo Monkey
Sep 18, 2009
3,441
392
Fenton, MI
Aside from chassis stiffness the major difference I've found is the "feel" between the two. To me, Boxxers have more "pop" than a 40, but 40's are more plush (this is in regard to the coil-sprung 40's) in their stroke. In one of the old Boxxer threads I believe there was some commentary about the Boxxer "feeling" regressive in nature. It's a lot easier to pre-load the suspension and "hop" out of a flat corner the way a skier executes jump-turns in powder with a Boxxer in my experience.

I imagine since Minnaar and Peaty were both testing 40 FLOAT protos since the early stages of development and that since both of them were very much used to the damping characteristics of the Boxxer that the FLOAT version has a different "feel" than that of a coil-sprung 40. Anyone have ride time on both versions of the 40? (FLOAT and coil) I'm curious to know if the FLOAT "feels" different from a coil sprung 40 or like a Boxxer in any way.
Again, as noted earlier, I am not super duper suspension professional......so take this with a metric shit ton of salt, not just a grain.

I've owned a 2011 non kashima, 2012 kashima, and now a 2014 Float.

the only difference between my 11 and 12 was the kashima, the only difference witht he float was that it was air (duh right?)

I have gotten progressively faster in the last 4 seasons. So my suspension set ups have changed.

I did not notice a distinct difference at all between the 11 and 12, the 11 got handed down to my wife so I have ridden the two of them back to back.

From the 12 to the float I did notice that HUGE of a difference. I have not gotten into changing the volume spacers for the air spring to make the fork feel differently. To me it felt very very similar to the 12. Maybe I just don't have the feel to really notice a huge difference?

I have also ridden a boxxer world cup air on a rental bike at Whistler, It seemed to be a just fine and dandy fork. It was easy to get set up to feel good enough to ride on, to be honest I don't recall much about it, its been over a year and we were a bit hurried to get some runs in and didn't spend a lot of time messing with the forks.

The wife did say she liked the boxxer better, but i think that is because even with a soft spring in the 40 she was having trouble getting more than 5-6" of travel out of her 40 at that time. With the boxxer being air she was able to set it up to get full travel.
 

Udi

RM Chief Ornithologist
Mar 14, 2005
4,915
1,200
The Float feels less linear, has more sliding friction, and is much harsher at the start compared to the coil version. I wouldn't say it was a dealbreaker but the coil is more predictable to ride. It's not functionally a huge deficit (i.e. in actual riding) but I did think it was slightly inferior, and it also became pretty lame to push on cheap Boxxer RCs that had far better sensitivity thanks to a plain old coil spring.

I ripped that junk out of my Float after a while and replaced it with a coil plunger and blue Ti. Couldn't be happier!

2850g coil 40. It's the fork they should have made.