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2015 Santa Cruz V8.5 Released

Lelandjt

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It'll be 2015 in a week so I've stopped even mentioning that new bikes are 650b. It's a given.

BTW, I'll be keeping my V10.5. I love the way it feels in 10" mode and that it weighs only 31lb with 2.5" DH tires.
 

gemini2k

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Jul 31, 2005
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They're getting closer at least. At last they've adjusted their sizing recommendations to actually be reasonable, no longer suggesting a ~17.25" reach is suitable for someone 6'4" on a DH bike. The headtube lengths seem oddly short though. I can't imagine anyone over 6' would want a headtube length below 5.25" inches, much less below 5.

The seattube range across the models is interesting. The XL is only 1" longer than the S despite the mean targeted height being ~10 inches apart. Also, the S has a higher standover than the XL? Is that normal?

Does the BB drop a disproportionate amount when the bike sags? >14" BB seems high for a modern, 8.5" travel bike. (I know it does have a lower setting, but still).

Glad to see they are doing integrated fork bumpers. Is that new this year or have they done that previously?
 
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gemini2k

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What happened to the XXL?
Fvck you that's what happened. (kidding) The sales numbers just aren't high enough to justify carbon molds for an XXL bike I assume. Oh well, we tall freaks can dream! Maybe one day someone will make a DH bike with ~19.5" reach!
 

tavaenga

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Dec 1, 2011
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Fvck you that's what happened. (kidding) The sales numbers just aren't high enough to justify carbon molds for an XXL bike I assume. Oh well, we tall freaks can dream! Maybe one day someone will make a DH bike with ~19.5" reach!
Apparently the XXL will be released mid-2015.
 

4gnegative

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Current geo is listed on santa cruz's website up to the xl... I wish they would provide a convenient link for the geo for the older v10c.
 
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gemini2k

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How tall are you freaks?

Peat and Minnaar are both 6'3" and ride the XL.
Well they are really closer to 6'2", but that's splitting hairs. And have you seen them on their bikes? They look like they are on a bike 1-2 sizes to small for them. They have to run offset headsets and a freakish amount of spacers under their stems. He looks like a goon in this, no denying it (not an insult, I look even worse on any bike except my ventana.)

 

DirtMerchant

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Well they are really closer to 6'2", but that's splitting hairs. And have you seen them on their bikes? They look like they are on a bike 1-2 sizes to small for them. They have to run offset headsets and a freakish amount of spacers under their stems. He looks like a goon in this, no denying it (not an insult, I look even worse on any bike except my ventana.)

Both had the option of ridding the larger XXL frames when they were available. I'd imagine they will keep their XL 27.5 frames once the XXL 27.5 is available.

XXL for riders 6'5"+?
 

gemini2k

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I'm 6'8" and ride a V10.4 in XL and it works ok.
No, no it doesn't. Try any other company's XL. There are many better options (if you can afford to). The 10.4 XL V-10 is suitable for people up to 6'1" at most. There are plenty of Larges bigger than the XL V10.4

If1 company made a true XL or XXL, every rider over 6'2" would want it.
There are a few options for the 6'2" to 6'4" crowd (canfield, Gt, etc.). But nothing for people over 6'5" really.
 

gemini2k

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There is this

http://m.vitalmtb.com/product/feature/First-Look-2015-Santa-Cruz-V10-Carbon,290

The stack and reach are clearly wrong in the high setting but the low setting numbers make sense
18.4" reach. 5.1" Headtube. These aren't bad numbers. Still too small for anyone over 6'5" IMO. But then again, there are only ~150k men over 6'6" in the U.S. So it's hard to blame them.

I'm waiting for the day I can get a 20" reach DH bike. *le sigh*. I'll probably just get someone to make a custom one at some point. I need to find that perfect frame builder though.
 

iRider

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Apr 5, 2008
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What about Nicolai? They make custom DH bikes. A friend of mine (6.7) had a custom Virus DH bike from them back in the day. Problem back then was getting a fork with a long enough steerer tube. :o
 

BigBoi

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Oct 31, 2011
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[QUOTE="Try any other company's XL. There are many better options (if you can afford to).

Um, wut? Other XL's? Wilson, session, Jedi....that's it. I know the Wilson and session are no bigger cuz I've ridden them and the Jedi numbers are very similar. Many better options = GT in large?

Oh, I forgot Lenz, they do a XL and XXL I think but their webpage makes me nervous
 

blindboxx2334

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if youre 6'5" and up, and you cant fit on an XL; go find another hobby, like rescuing cats out of trees. i also heard BBall pays pretty good.

on a serious note, there is a guy on PB who lives in euro land he is over 7ft tall. i guess he has back issues, cool guy though.
 

Lelandjt

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The problem with making longer bikes to fit tall riders is the trails don't change in dimension. I'm a hair under 6'2" with proportionally long legs. With the V10.2&3 I rode a large. At the introduction of the V10.4 the large shrank a half inch and the new XL was a half inch longer. My weakness was always tight turns so I downsized to the large and saw my times come down as well*. I've raced against Minaar and watched him during practice thread some twisty turns through trees. He's impressive but there's lots of rear end flicking necessary that the short guys on medium bikes don't have to do and I lack the skill to whip the big bike through turns like him. So, what I'm getting at is that the bike has to fit you but also fit your trails. Increasing top tube length only works to a point when you realize the bike doesn't fit it turns.

*I just went through this again when getting a Nomad and again went for the large.
 

kickstand

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The seattube range across the models is interesting. The XL is only 1" longer than the S despite the mean targeted height being ~10 inches apart. Also, the S has a higher standover than the XL? Is that normal?
Look at the bikes, look at the angle of the top tube, yes, it makes sense that as they make the bike longer the standover gets lower.

Ordered two of these up yesterday. Wife and I are looking forward to riding them.
 

kickstand

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The problem with making longer bikes to fit tall riders is the trails don't change in dimension. I'm a hair under 6'2" with proportionally long legs. With the V10.2&3 I rode a large. At the introduction of the V10.4 the large shrank a half inch and the new XL was a half inch longer. My weakness was always tight turns so I downsized to the large and saw my times come down as well*. I've raced against Minaar and watched him during practice thread some twisty turns through trees. He's impressive but there's lots of rear end flicking necessary that the short guys on medium bikes don't have to do and I lack the skill to whip the big bike through turns like him. So, what I'm getting at is that the bike has to fit you but also fit your trails. Increasing top tube length only works to a point when you realize the bike doesn't fit it turns.

*I just went through this again when getting a Nomad and again went for the large.
Amen. I'm not tall (5-10) but even with the new trend towards longer bikes and bigger tires this is an issue on many of the local trails for me.
 

gemini2k

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So, what I'm getting at is that the bike has to fit you but also fit your trails. Increasing top tube length only works to a point when you realize the bike doesn't fit it turns.
Oh yes, you are definitely correct there. I'm rode a 50"+ WB DH bike for years around the obnoxious switchback turns of Santa Barbara trails. Shorter bikes were definitely better in those instances. Personally I'll take a better fitting bike over switchback performance (cause fvck switchbacks on DH trails). Some may disagree. I also think that people place too much emphasis on times when evaluating bike performance. Yes obviously if you're a racer, the clock is the only metric worthwhile. But for the other 95% of people I would imagine that improved comfort, better stability, and more consistent performance (and thus less crashes) is more important and worth losing a tenth of a second per turn or whatever.

My running theory for why taller guys generally choose bikes that are too small for them, that I've posted here before, is because taller guys seem to have less core strength and flexibility than their average height counterparts. As a result they never learn to use their hips properly to turn. Which makes handling a properly sized, 50"+ WB bike or whatever, more challenging. I could be completely full of sh*t though on this. I'm interested in people's feedback.

But regardless of bike geometry, different body types will always have certain advantages. Smaller guys should always be better turners, and big guys should always be better at fast/rough stuff (or something like that).

Leland how tall are you? I'd imagine the taller and bigger you are, the easier it is to whip the rear end around. I could be wrong though.
 
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Sandwich

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Switching to a longer TT/reach bike was SO confidence inspiring for me. Yeah, if you're riding 5mph it's definitely slower, but if you're riding 30mph it's definitely faster. Ripping through the trees straight down the face of the mountain, you really appreciate a little more distance between the bars and the BB, at least I did.
 

BigBoi

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The problem with making longer bikes to fit tall riders is the trails don't change in dimension. I'm a hair under 6'2" with proportionally long legs. With the V10.2&3 I rode a large. At the introduction of the V10.4 the large shrank a half inch and the new XL was a half inch longer. My weakness was always tight turns so I downsized to the large and saw my times come down as well*. I've raced against Minaar and watched him during practice thread some twisty turns through trees. He's impressive but there's lots of rear end flicking necessary that the short guys on medium bikes don't have to do and I lack the skill to whip the big bike through turns like him. So, what I'm getting at is that the bike has to fit you but also fit your trails. Increasing top tube length only works to a point when you realize the bike doesn't fit it turns.

*I just went through this again when getting a Nomad and again went for the large.
Don't worry. Current and future trails are being designed to accompany the longer TT and larger wheels. Trails are now specifically built so you don't have to worry about trees or switchbacks anymore. They are called flow trails.


You're welcome.