Yeesh, doesn't appear this will end well
http://news.yahoo.com/paris-gunman-hostages-die-police-154624495.html
http://news.yahoo.com/paris-gunman-hostages-die-police-154624495.html
france....
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Rot in hell fuckers.
Well that's the irony of it all. There is no god, no hell, only place they will rot is where they are put 6 feet deep. All for nothing.
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"When I was editor there, The Onion was located in the heart of Manhattan and the one person manning our front entrance was our petite, tattooed office manager, Jessie. She was the definition of unthreatening, and we used to joke that she was the only thing standing between us and some heavily armed radicals, should any ever become enraged by something we put in print. Right now, that joke makes me sick to my stomach.
Twelve people were murdered at the offices of Charlie Hebdo, a French satirical newspaper, today, apparently for doing the very thing The Onion does: satire. These people – including one guest and one police officer – are dead. They were cartoonists and editors and humorists. People whose job in life was to point at hypocrisy and laugh at it; to ridicule hate; to make us all try to see our own failings as humans. And they were killed for it.
For those who would trivialize the idea, this was what an actual attack on freedom looks like.
Our joke at The Onion was, like most of our jokes, borne out of some reality. We received hateful letters and emails on a semi-regular basis. I’ve personally spoken on the phone with at least two individuals who threatened to rape me and kill my family. At one point, we even had to call the police. But I never could have imagined anything like this.
I admit: it scares me. This is radical ideology taken to an abhorrent new low. The footage and photographs that have so far emerged depict several armed men, dressed in tactical black. It looks like a highly organized attack, but an attack, ultimately, on what? An idea? You cannot kill an idea by murdering innocent people – though you can nudge it toward suicide.
That is the real threat: that we’ll allow our fear, or our anger, to kill ourselves.
This will be framed by many as the latest salvo in an ongoing war between the West and Islam, when what this really amounts to is the slaughter of innocent people. These murderers don’t represent anyone but themselves, their own twisted view of reality. They don’t stand for an entire religion anymore than the Westboro Baptist Church stands for an entire religion or the Ku Klux Klan stands for an entire race.
If it turns out that members of Al Qaeda or some other radical “Islamic” sect carried out this attack, the saddest, most profoundly ironic thing about it will have been that the satire worked. It did its job. It so threatened its target, cut so deeply at the truth, that it resorted to the most cowardly, most offensive and despicable form of lashing out.
Satire must always accompany any free society. It is an absolute necessity. Even in the most repressive medieval kingdoms, they understood the need for the court jester, the one soul allowed to tell the truth through laughter. It is, in many ways, the most powerful form of free speech because it is aimed at those in power, or those whose ideas would spread hate. It is the canary in the coalmine, a cultural thermometer, and it always has to push, push, push the boundaries of society to see how much it’s grown.
Our society is possibly the freest that humankind has yet produced and that freedom is predicated on one central idea: the right to speech. That right is understood as a natural extension of our very existence. In America, free speech is so important that the men who wrote our Bill of Rights put it first, but followed it up with our right to bear arms. To me, that’s always been a pretty strong message: Say what you want and, here, take some guns to make sure no one tries to stop you. But in this state of widespread social change – probably the most profound in centuries – we need to make sure that the ideal of the second amendment never, ever trumps the power of the first. That brute force never negates ideas.
This is a loss for all of humanity. The victims, people who believed with passion and intellect that humankind can be better, were struck down in the birthplace of the Enlightenment, the movement from which the modern world emanates.
The Charlie Hebdo gunmen also shot a police officer in the head as he lay dying on the sidewalk. These people are not just enemies of cartoonists or the ideals of the West. They’re enemies of human life. They care for nothing, believe in nothing worth believing in, and therefore their ideology, whatever it may be, is worthless. Moot. Not even worth our consideration for a moment.
They cannot kill everyone who disagrees with them. There are not enough bullets in the world for that. The most responsible thing we can do is be aware that the most likely threat to freedom will now come from within. We cannot, should not, police our own thoughts – or the thoughts of our fellow citizens. Because the First Amendment does not just protect our free speech; it protects all expression, including religion.
Nor can we lose sight of terrorism in any of its forms. Whether it comes from radicals abroad or radicals at home. No matter what ideas they try to kill on whatever end of the political spectrum.
Before we lose our sense of optimism, however, try to keep some scale in mind: The idea of human rights is a relatively new one to human society, only a few hundred years old. It’s a part of our intellectual outlook now, inextricable from our daily lives, but it is still making its way into our hearts, our DNA. I can only hope that tragedies like the one in Paris would make our ideals stronger, not weaker.
Is that an ideal worth dying for? I think it is. Should anyone ever have to pay for it with blood? I pray to God not. And it doesn’t really matter that I don’t quite know how to believe in God. Today, I’m praying anyway."
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/former-onion-editor-freedom-speech-cannot-be-killed
Twelve people were murdered at the offices of Charlie Hebdo, a French satirical newspaper, today, apparently for doing the very thing The Onion does: satire. These people – including one guest and one police officer – are dead. They were cartoonists and editors and humorists. People whose job in life was to point at hypocrisy and laugh at it; to ridicule hate; to make us all try to see our own failings as humans. And they were killed for it.
For those who would trivialize the idea, this was what an actual attack on freedom looks like.
Our joke at The Onion was, like most of our jokes, borne out of some reality. We received hateful letters and emails on a semi-regular basis. I’ve personally spoken on the phone with at least two individuals who threatened to rape me and kill my family. At one point, we even had to call the police. But I never could have imagined anything like this.
I admit: it scares me. This is radical ideology taken to an abhorrent new low. The footage and photographs that have so far emerged depict several armed men, dressed in tactical black. It looks like a highly organized attack, but an attack, ultimately, on what? An idea? You cannot kill an idea by murdering innocent people – though you can nudge it toward suicide.
That is the real threat: that we’ll allow our fear, or our anger, to kill ourselves.
This will be framed by many as the latest salvo in an ongoing war between the West and Islam, when what this really amounts to is the slaughter of innocent people. These murderers don’t represent anyone but themselves, their own twisted view of reality. They don’t stand for an entire religion anymore than the Westboro Baptist Church stands for an entire religion or the Ku Klux Klan stands for an entire race.
If it turns out that members of Al Qaeda or some other radical “Islamic” sect carried out this attack, the saddest, most profoundly ironic thing about it will have been that the satire worked. It did its job. It so threatened its target, cut so deeply at the truth, that it resorted to the most cowardly, most offensive and despicable form of lashing out.
Satire must always accompany any free society. It is an absolute necessity. Even in the most repressive medieval kingdoms, they understood the need for the court jester, the one soul allowed to tell the truth through laughter. It is, in many ways, the most powerful form of free speech because it is aimed at those in power, or those whose ideas would spread hate. It is the canary in the coalmine, a cultural thermometer, and it always has to push, push, push the boundaries of society to see how much it’s grown.
Our society is possibly the freest that humankind has yet produced and that freedom is predicated on one central idea: the right to speech. That right is understood as a natural extension of our very existence. In America, free speech is so important that the men who wrote our Bill of Rights put it first, but followed it up with our right to bear arms. To me, that’s always been a pretty strong message: Say what you want and, here, take some guns to make sure no one tries to stop you. But in this state of widespread social change – probably the most profound in centuries – we need to make sure that the ideal of the second amendment never, ever trumps the power of the first. That brute force never negates ideas.
This is a loss for all of humanity. The victims, people who believed with passion and intellect that humankind can be better, were struck down in the birthplace of the Enlightenment, the movement from which the modern world emanates.
The Charlie Hebdo gunmen also shot a police officer in the head as he lay dying on the sidewalk. These people are not just enemies of cartoonists or the ideals of the West. They’re enemies of human life. They care for nothing, believe in nothing worth believing in, and therefore their ideology, whatever it may be, is worthless. Moot. Not even worth our consideration for a moment.
They cannot kill everyone who disagrees with them. There are not enough bullets in the world for that. The most responsible thing we can do is be aware that the most likely threat to freedom will now come from within. We cannot, should not, police our own thoughts – or the thoughts of our fellow citizens. Because the First Amendment does not just protect our free speech; it protects all expression, including religion.
Nor can we lose sight of terrorism in any of its forms. Whether it comes from radicals abroad or radicals at home. No matter what ideas they try to kill on whatever end of the political spectrum.
Before we lose our sense of optimism, however, try to keep some scale in mind: The idea of human rights is a relatively new one to human society, only a few hundred years old. It’s a part of our intellectual outlook now, inextricable from our daily lives, but it is still making its way into our hearts, our DNA. I can only hope that tragedies like the one in Paris would make our ideals stronger, not weaker.
Is that an ideal worth dying for? I think it is. Should anyone ever have to pay for it with blood? I pray to God not. And it doesn’t really matter that I don’t quite know how to believe in God. Today, I’m praying anyway."
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/former-onion-editor-freedom-speech-cannot-be-killed
Vive La France
Hats off to the French Forces that tracked down the Terrorist scum and properly dispatched them
never negotiate with them, just remove them from wasting oxygen when ever possible
Hats off to the French Forces that tracked down the Terrorist scum and properly dispatched them
never negotiate with them, just remove them from wasting oxygen when ever possible
Yes, but then we'd be calling it "crazy", that would be a huge improvement.
Looks like somebody in a hurry to get martyred.
I would say so did not look like he wanted to live any longer.
He got to feel exactly what his victims felt.
On the 7 January 2014 edition of ABC's Jimmy Kimmel Live, Bill Maher reacted to the Islamist attack in Paris by beseeching his ideological fellow travelers to "turn toward the truth" about the Muslim world's opposition to "liberal principles." Maher underlined that "hundreds of millions of [Muslims] support an attack like this. They applaud an attack like this. What they say is – oh, we don't approve of violence, but you know what? When you make fun of the prophet, all bets are off."
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/maher-warns-liberals-hundreds-millions-muslims-back-terrorism
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/maher-warns-liberals-hundreds-millions-muslims-back-terrorism
I think Maher is generally a POS blowhard, but I agree with that quote. Even the most moderate Muslim, I believe, agree with that. I think Islam is a backwards, savage religion.
I realize my above statements probably borders (or squarely) on prejudice. And irony/hypocrisy isn't lost on me when I say all Freedom-loving modernized (Western) nations need to ditch the kiddie gloves and appeasement and start dropping the proverbial hammer.
These terroristic wackos can't be reasoned with. I support efforts to pre-emptively send them to their 72 virginis before they carry out their cowardly attacks on the civilian populace.
Lets not pretend like Islam is any crazier than any other religion. Islam is just the one having it's moment in the sun right now. No matter what flavor of invisible eye in the sky one prefers, the problem is still that one believes in an invisible eye in the sky. When you can convince yourself of that, is there really anything that's going to sound too crazy?
well put. i personally think religion is for weak-minded people. one can be virtuous and/or spiritual or some belief of greater meaning of one life without submission to some religion-based doctrine or belief system.
When you consider the fact that Islam is the only religion currently outsourcing and exporting its crazy for profit, then it makes sens that we eliminate all of them...until the next invisible man in the sky starts telling his followers to drink the crazy punch and sacrifice themselves for him...fuck organized religion.
The backlash from the Muslim world has actually been pretty serious.
Newspapers and TV stations in Muslim countries across the world have spoken out against the attacks and plenty of Muslim leaders have condemned the attacks.
Dont expect to hear anything about this on Fox news obviously...
Newspapers and TV stations in Muslim countries across the world have spoken out against the attacks and plenty of Muslim leaders have condemned the attacks.
Dont expect to hear anything about this on Fox news obviously...
http://anonhq.com/heres-arab-newspapers-reacted-charliehebdo-massacre/
Fuck mainstream media for not showing this all over the news...
Fuck mainstream media for not showing this all over the news...
this. anyone remember a little thing called the crusades?
or the spanish inquisition
Nazis claimed that Jesus was an Aryan. The Vatican was pretty chummy with Hitler and the Catholic church in some countries directly conspired with the Nazis to exterminate Jews. Christopher Columbus did some terrible terrible shit, considered himself a soldier of Christianity and justified most of it as the victims were heathens.
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I did not expect you to say that.
You can also point to the Catholic church's historical opposition to birth control as contributing mightily to fucking things up in a different, moar insidious way.
I have to get in the habit of reading the URL's posted a little better. I work for the Federal Government. And just opened that link. I hope to fuck I don't get in trouble for that. ooops.
from: HuffingtonPost
"Charlie Hebdo revealed their cover image for this week's issue, printed just days after two gunmen opened fire on the newspaper's Paris office, killing 12 people. Four of the Charlie's cartoonists were killed in the attack."
"The cover shows the Prophet Muhammad holding a "Je Suis Charlie" sign with the caption, "All is forgiven."
The newspaper said that it will print over 1 million copies this week, with financial help from Google, Le Monde and other organizations. It usually prints around 60,000."
"Charlie Hebdo revealed their cover image for this week's issue, printed just days after two gunmen opened fire on the newspaper's Paris office, killing 12 people. Four of the Charlie's cartoonists were killed in the attack."
"The cover shows the Prophet Muhammad holding a "Je Suis Charlie" sign with the caption, "All is forgiven."
The newspaper said that it will print over 1 million copies this week, with financial help from Google, Le Monde and other organizations. It usually prints around 60,000."
http://reverbpress.com/world/british-pm-calls-fox-news-terror-expert-complete-idiot/
Guess Fox News also forgets that town is actually famous for white Catholic terrorists, not Muslim ones:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Six
Edit, already noted in joke:
https://twitter.com/sarfrazmanzoor/status/554393520271032321
Guess Fox News also forgets that town is actually famous for white Catholic terrorists, not Muslim ones:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Six
Edit, already noted in joke:
https://twitter.com/sarfrazmanzoor/status/554393520271032321
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Somehow I did not expect Anonymous to have a slick web site.
unless they are killed by white cops...no attention will be paid.
that was kind of my point with my earlier post. i'm all for freedom of speech, just not for the press's elevation of first world problems over more ridiculous shit going on elsewhere all the time. the day after the Paris stuff ended, for example, a young girl was forced to be a suicide bomber in Nigeria, killing just as many people, but it was a blip on the press radar. sometimes i just don't have the mental energy at the end of the day to be the most eloquent person in the world. and while i don't think it's right that the french people were killed, i'm also not surprised.
Women leaders suppressed by radical Jews in Israel from freedom of expression march photo...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/world/newspaper-in-israel-scrubs-women-from-a-photo-of-paris-unity-rally.html
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/world/newspaper-in-israel-scrubs-women-from-a-photo-of-paris-unity-rally.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-purports-show-boy-executing-russian-spies-154813791.html
Some twisted mother fuckers.
from: HuffingtonPost
"Charlie Hebdo revealed their cover image for this week's issue, printed just days after two gunmen opened fire on the newspaper's Paris office, killing 12 people. Four of the Charlie's cartoonists were killed in the attack."
"The cover shows the Prophet Muhammad holding a "Je Suis Charlie" sign with the caption, "All is forgiven."
The newspaper said that it will print over 1 million copies this week, with financial help from Google, Le Monde and other organizations. It usually prints around 60,000."
It also seems to show up in the eyes and nose.....
not sure if the double-dickhead is done on purpose, but seems a bit suspicious
not sure if the double-dickhead is done on purpose, but seems a bit suspicious