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Bike not weird and niche enough? Super long Nicolai/mojo creation

trib

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I think this has been mentioned elsewhere on the forums but can't remember where.

One for all the tall folk griping that xl frames are too short.

Even though most people have decided that the zero length stem forward geometry positioning was ridiculous these seem to be a bit more ridable. Super long, super adjustable bikes with a wheelbase and reach to keep the most gorilla esque riders happy.

http://www.mbr.co.uk/news/bike_news/mojo-and-nicolai-team-up-to-offer-a-unique-new-suspension-bike-326173
 

4130biker

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THAT FENDER THO.
Looks like some sort of geometrically rendered and contorted turd....


It's like they took Mr. Hanky, made him more angular, then bent him enough to serve as a bike fender. That is what I see.
 
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BigBoi

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I think this has been mentioned elsewhere on the forums but can't remember where.

One for all the tall folk griping that xl frames are too short.

Even though most people have decided that the zero length stem forward geometry positioning was ridiculous these seem to be a bit more ridable. Super long, super adjustable bikes with a wheelbase and reach to keep the most gorilla esque riders happy.

http://www.mbr.co.uk/news/bike_news/mojo-and-nicolai-team-up-to-offer-a-unique-new-suspension-bike-326173
There are quite a few options for trail/enduro bikes for the tall folk already. It's DH bikes where there are no real good options
 

MmmBones

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May 8, 2011
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I dig the whole concept, from the long reach to the dialed shox. I think he's got it figured out. Of course the length of the bikes is going to make most of you reel back in OMGZ DA WHEELZBAZEZ horror, but think about where sizing was just five years ago and where it is now. I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes the future of Downduro geometry, even Kirk Placenti agrees, and look how many ride "his" preferred wheel size. I'd like to try one, but most likely I will have to craft my own in some sort of bong shed. I disagree with Pacento when it comes to Boost 148. That shit sucks TREK ballz.

I will leave you with this..
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norbar

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I'd just buy it for the Geometron name. Looks mint, always liked Nicolai bikes. Though I have a DH bike so for my 2nd bike I would like something thats more fun on mellow trails. Not a dh bike with a bit less travel that can pedal uphill.
 

kidwoo

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Of course the length of the bikes is going to make most of you reel back in OMGZ DA WHEELZBAZEZ horror, but think about where sizing was just five years ago and where it is now.
And in 2003 people were saying "look where travel was just 5 years ago and where it is now" to justify the existence of super monster forks.

That bike looks really good for shaq and people wanting to set speed records in a straight line down the side of a volcano.

I'm short so I've ridden a lot longer bikes. I've ridden bikes with wheelbases that long. I'm of the belief that there really is such a thing as too long for your body to have leverage over the thing anymore. And they've definitely made it with this thing. The ONLY thing unique about this bike size-wize is that there's going to a slightly (very slightly) tighter cockpit from the moar slackerz headangle. But it's still just enormous for a freakin trail bike. It's beyond what a lot of trail bikes are already becoming........good in straight lines on fast trails. But horrible everywhere else. As in WAY slower everywhere else.
 

slyfink

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It's beyond what a lot of trail bikes are already becoming........good in straight lines on fast trails. But horrible everywhere else. As in WAY slower everywhere else.
well, according to its creator, you are wrong, caus' they designed it with a stop-watch in hand... :rolleyes:

Anyone else remember the video where he and Jones were discussing this bike (and another one, not sure which, maybe the Mondraker or the Capra?) One of the weird things Chris was saying is that braking characteristics are hampered by having the BB below the axles (or something to that effect). Anyways, those two talking gave me the impression of listening to someone who'd smoked too much weed talking to someone who'd had too much tea. Incomprehensible, and not a linear thought to be followed.
 

tomasis7

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Anyways, those two talking gave me the impression of listening to someone who'd smoked too much weed talking to someone who'd had too much tea. Incomprehensible, and not a linear thought to be followed.
Sounds like mtb of Top Gear.

Funny it is in UK, there is no but short tracks with exception for ft William.
 

kidwoo

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well, according to its creator, you are wrong, caus' they designed it with a stop-watch in hand... :rolleyes:
What that really tells me is that they were probably testing this thing on an insanely awesome trail. :D

Props to them for flying their freak flag and all. I wish them luck. I'm not buying one though. I think this bike is 'interesting' to a lot of people just because they've never thought about this stuff. I have and think they're off base for what I do. Ianjenn and some other guys have probably thought about it a lot for what they're doing and think they're spot on. We might both be right.
 

MmmBones

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And in 2003 people were saying "look where travel was just 5 years ago and where it is now" to justify the existence of super monster forks.
That's like apples to hamburgers, super monsters weighed as much as this entire bike. I should have clarified that this makes no sense for short folks, but Chris is over 6' and the bikes are called long, longer and longest.
well, according to its creator, you are wrong, caus' they designed it with a stop-watch in hand... :rolleyes:

One of the weird things Chris was saying is that braking characteristics are hampered by having the BB below the axles (or something to that effect)
He mentioned it was a problem under hard braking with the BB waaaay below the axle, like the Kona Fabien Barel won World Champs on years ago, and that it is exacerbated by the higher axles of wagon wheels. Maybe you just need to drink moar tea and spend some time in the bong shed to comprehend it.
fabian_barel.jpg
 

weedkilla

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I'm a bit lost.

So does this guy think that if all your weight is on the pedals your centre of mass is suddenly at the pedals? I'm really confused how dropping a bottom bracket height effects braking. My body position during braking varies the centre of mass of myself and the bike much more than any change in bb height.

http://www.mbr.co.uk/news/bike_news/size-matters-part-2-finding-limits-geometry-sizing-323289

And I also kinda feel like he has explained the role of decreasing trail a bit backwards.
I just get the feeling that this guy missed physics 101, but you'd assume that to have done what he has done he should have a clue...
 

kidwoo

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That's like apples to hamburgers, super monsters weighed as much as this entire bike. I should have clarified that this makes no sense for short folks, but Chris is over 6' and the bikes are called long, longer and longest.
Well then fuck those racists. I want a 13.2BB 62.5 deg HA mojo suspension tuned bike too. There are three sizes.......what's that six foot one two and three?

I wasn't talking about the weight with the super monsters. First and foremost they were stupid because they were 12" of travel, not because they were heavy.
 
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MmmBones

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Well then fuck those racists. I want a 13.2BB 62.5 deg HA mojo suspension tuned bike too. There are three sizes.......what's that six foot one two and three?

I wasn't talking about the weight with the super monsters. First and foremost they were stupid because they were 12" of travel, not because they were heavy.
I think he is cutting shorter riders out of the picture, perhaps because it will allow him to apply his personal knowledge of the geometry and suspension tuning for these bikes and their riders. I do think this should be the business model for all high-end bike sales in the future. Hopefully this keys some other tuners into what's possible if you work directly with frame manufacturers. I think the geometry is great for larger riders, but the knowledge of the design and follow through with direct testing and tuning of the suspension is, dare i say, next-level. My guess is that they fit riders from about 5'11"-6'7". If you are taller than that you should be playing co-ed beach volleyball.

Just face it Woo, in ten years we'll all be riding 12" travel 26x1-3/8 E-fatbikes with 1400mm wheelbases. If that's too much to handle, fuck you.
 
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MmmBones

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I'm a bit lost.

So does this guy think that if all your weight is on the pedals your centre of mass is suddenly at the pedals? I'm really confused how dropping a bottom bracket height effects braking. My body position during braking varies the centre of mass of myself and the bike much more than any change in bb height.

http://www.mbr.co.uk/news/bike_news/size-matters-part-2-finding-limits-geometry-sizing-323289

And I also kinda feel like he has explained the role of decreasing trail a bit backwards.
I just get the feeling that this guy missed physics 101, but you'd assume that to have done what he has done he should have a clue...
That's cuz yr bikes too small, maaaaan
 

Udi

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This is what it's going to be like getting around corners on 90% of the normal trails people ride:

 

Muddy

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Speculative, but my own physical-proportions have me with longer mass above the waist. So while I would be within sizing for an XL version of my bike or the current crop of them, I'd think there's be an exposure to lower-back pain. Low back pain is unavoidable, I've learned to anticipate it and learned to control it. Correct me if I am wrong, but if two same height individuals were being fitted on a bike like these wouldn't the positive gain in leg-room for one be counterproductive in regard to a bar and stem option for the other?
 

slimshady

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Speculative, but my own physical-proportions have me with longer mass above the waist. So while I would be within sizing for an XL version of my bike or the current crop of them, I'd think there's be an exposure to lower-back pain. Low back pain is unavoidable, I've learned to anticipate it and learned to control it. Correct me if I am wrong, but if two same height individuals were being fitted on a bike like these wouldn't the positive gain in leg-room for one be counterproductive in regard to a bar and stem option for the other?
I agree, I have a riding friend who has my same exact height, but about an inch and a quarter less in the leg department. While we ride the same frame size, he looks like a hunchback when sitting on my bike, and barely reaches the pedals. And when I climb on his bike, I look like Henry Fonda on a fricking ape hanger Harley.
 

kidwoo

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Speculative, but my own physical-proportions have me with longer mass above the waist. So while I would be within sizing for an XL version of my bike or the current crop of them, I'd think there's be an exposure to lower-back pain. Low back pain is unavoidable, I've learned to anticipate it and learned to control it. Correct me if I am wrong, but if two same height individuals were being fitted on a bike like these wouldn't the positive gain in leg-room for one be counterproductive in regard to a bar and stem option for the other?

Well if bikes go this way your lower back will share some love with your rotator cuff muscles from trying to pick up the front wheel. Fortunately that's a rare occurrence on trail rides so it shouldn't be bad.
 

Bikael Molton

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Could they make it out of carbon and provide all that adjustability?

Or is the "tweaking the geo" excuse the last bastion of the overbuilt, germanic monster truck vibe of 2001?
 

supercow

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The haters can hate on that fender all you want, it's sick as!
Takes literally 5 seconds to clip and unclip the thing, with no cable ties to faff about with.
 

supercow

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Feb 18, 2009
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Id run it
I get stick from some of my mates for having one of them, but I'm not exaggerating when I say how fast it is to take them on or off, no need for front wheel to come off either. No cable tie rub on my nice Fox36 too, which is a bonus.