Reign alloy 2015 actual frame weight and bb height

http://m.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Riding-Giants-2015-Reign-2-By-Go-Ride,8279

Sounds like 13.5 BB and 33 lbs for the alu Reign deux

Udi said:

Also as usual, feel free to post a bunch of completely irrelevant stuff that doesn't answer my question, and I'll post the actual numbers here later after I give up and buy one anyway.

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my buddy has one and really likes it. It seems pretty low, and his is silver so it doesn't look very heavy.

Well young man, I see that you're showing some interest in what is undeniably the most efficient suspension design available in today's modern mountain bike market. Truth be told, it's the only design that isn't grossly inefficient™

Bravo!

Definitely more effecient than pedaling .

my buddy has a carbon reign as a loaner bike today , i have never really looked at them closely yet , guess i will today during our ride . heard from several owners that they are a very capable bike when it comes to climbing and in the descending department . one question i do have is how capable are they really at climbing when you don,t have a shock with a climbing lockout . i don,t have any fancy lockouts on my 167 and for what it is i climbs really well .

Not my measurements but from a test in Freeride Mag (2/2015):
Giant Reign 1, size M
BB height 330 mm (-18 mm BB drop)
reach: 444 mm
stack 577 mm
HA: 64.8
SA: 74.7
TT: 613 mm
ST: 430 mm
CS: 436 mm
WB: 1195 mm
HT: 95 mm
Total bike weight 13.4 kg

FWIW: they claimed it squatted when pedaling out of the saddle but otherwise loved it. Best DH performance of all bikes in the test (Bionicon Edison Evo, Devinci Spartan RR, GT Sanction Pro, Kona Process 153 DL, Mondraker Dune XR, Müsing Petrol 7, Rose Uncle Jimbo 3).

Was this an online or print article?

Udi said:

Operating a tape measure is pretty hard I guess.

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The bb height of my ALU 2 reign rolling on 2.3 minion front and 2.3 high roller 2 on the back.

When I looked at them I didn't think there was any difference between the carbon and ALU in angles.

Great bikes and I have been a giant hater for years. Am loving mine and was shocked with how well they climb.

That seems about right, 13.5" for the Yankees.

And it's a large frame if that matters

Don't notice it on the down but do get the odd pedal strike on techie ups with 175 cranks

well got my assed kick today , and my buddy has put his bike on the market so i guess he is buying a carbon reign now LOL , very nice design

Udi said:

Thanks for that and the comparisons.
I think that value is wrong though (12.99"), so far I've seen review measurements ranging from 13.4-13.6" and this guy says his was 13.46" with 2.3" Maxxis.

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Interesting. I was already impressed that Giant did have the balls to release such a low BB bike.

It's the first giant that I have ridden where you feel like you are in the bike rather than on top of the bike.

I tried a mates one and then had to have the talk with the mother of my children to say that they may be going hungry as I needed a new bike.

demonprec said:

well got my assed kick today , and my buddy has put his bike on the market so i guess he is buying a carbon reign now LOL , very nice design

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iRider said:

Interesting. I was already impressed that Giant did have the balls to release such a low BB bike.

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I was going to be really surprised if they actually made it that low.

Sounds like a prime candidate for putting 26" wheels on.

Udi said:

Just wondering if anyone has an actual measurement on this? I know Giant's claims, looking for a verified value. They don't seem to show the BB height either so would be good if someone had a measurement, that can come from the carbon one too.
@supercow @frango

Also as usual, feel free to post a bunch of completely irrelevant stuff that doesn't answer my question, and I'll post the actual numbers here later after I give up and buy one anyway.

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So you don't mind if we reign on your parade?

I vaguely recall people over 180 lbs complaining that the new reign reqd super high shock pressure.

I read one review about reign or trance I think it was on bikeradar about a rear and which blew through its travel but I can't find it anymore...

there it is but reign seems to be fine:

http://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/27-5-full-suspension-bikes/giant-trance-27-5-2-2015-review

I'll get mine measured when I'm back later in the week @Udi , but just give in and buy the fucker.

I do tend to get excited about bikes, and often rave on about how good a bike is (that's because I choose good bikes fwiw), but the Reign well and truly runs like rapist.

I did end up going for "ooooh, shiney" and got the Float X2 instead of the myriad options we discussed. I honestly feel it's the best shock I've tried on this bike, hands down. I'm sure with Pro help I could get the Vivid coil where I wanted it, and also got the Debonair in a better state, but having matching suspension was just too tempting... glad I did it now.

It's not lost any fun factor, but sticks to the ground like shit to a woolen blanket when you need it to. I've not even bothered putting my DH tyres on yet. Been trying to push my Butcher Grid tyres and see where they will start to shit the bed.

Random rainy local riding:

frorider said:

I vaguely recall people over 180 lbs complaining that the new reign reqd super high shock pressure.

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Probably this scientific, detailed analysis.

http://theteamrobot.blogspot.com/2015/01/baby-shocks.html



Which then also describes the GG megatrail with the same shock size and frame travel. And hence we have now reached an anomaly in the ridemonkey vortex of ongoing thought. The difference between a 2.5 and 2.8 leverage ratio is pretty significant. Especially on itty bitty air shock dampers.

That's why you buy a good shock ...or have the stock one ( still a decent shock) revalved

im planning on picking one of these up when I head to whistler, just need to find a deal on one

I've had my reign advanced 1 for a few weeks now, the thing is an absolute beast when pointed down, it rallies. Climbs really well considering how long, low, and slack they are...riding technical terrain here in whistler I've noticed a lot of pedal strikes, and it's definitely a bit unwieldy in tight xc'ish terrain. It's definitely more a little dh bike than a trail bike in my opinion, if I didn't have a hardtail that I did most of my trail riding on, I'd probably have gone with a Trance, but since I got rid of my old Glory the Reign also is doing duty as occasional evenings in the bikepark, which is also is super fun and more than capable on most trails.

There's really a bike called the Rose Uncle Jimbo?!

Udi said:

I give up and buy one anyway.

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What are you resisting? Enduro? In this case

WELCOME TO ENDURO world!

rpet said:

There's really a bike called the Rose Uncle Jimbo?!

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Germans are funny.look at schwalbes muddy Mary and dirty Dan

kidwoo said:

Probably this scientific, detailed analysis.

http://theteamrobot.blogspot.com/2015/01/baby-shocks.html

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nope.

Thinking back, I first heard this from a Giant dealer. Then read it in a British mag review. I haven't ridden it and have no opinion either way.

@Udi, I need to run more pressure (significant amount more) in my X2 to get 30%, than I did with my Debonair.
I'm running at around 220PSI in the X2, but the Debonair was 150 iirc.

Still, it's really not an issue even in the slightest. I might get Mojo UK to rework the compression shim stack, so that I can run lower pressure ... but at the moment I see no need for it.

Yeap, not disagreeing with the LR - the suspension works fantastic, just like the old reign.

I asked a mate of mine to weigh it for you, he's got one alu frame on the Giant team's European race rig, can weigh it next week.

Udi said:

Also I'm guessing you picked on how ridiculous their claims are by your tone, but I figure this is serious business and we should inform the rest of the internet.

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That's what you do!

FWIW it's worth, I don't think it's that big of a deal either. But I weight 160lbs. His pressure complaints have little to do with debonair/big volume negative chambers, he's entirely familiar with those, I can assure you. What he says applies to coil springs and running higher spring rates too (which he also has a problem with on the shorter shock V10 he rides). It's something bigger, faster guys have griped about forever, especially with air shocks with less substantial damping circuits. Even at my size, I've straight up broken the piston stacks in pinner air shocks.......older fox stuff but still.

The entire basis for that post is still correct. 2.25 is still a worse scenario than a 2.5" stroke shock in terms of damper stress. That's really all he's saying. You've probably never been in the world of slopestyle bikes where guys my size and smaller have to run pressures over 300psi to keep them from collapsing on themselves up the faces of big jumps. Those shocks die early, and fail often for that exact reason.......no big negative chamber shocks required. Debonair cans or not, that's a lot of stress on a little damping circuit at bottom out. There's no reason to not reduce that if you can.

Just based on my experience with bikes of the same travel and those two different shock lengths, I'd still agree with him. A CC inline felt like it was going to cry on two GG megatrails I rode, but the one I have on my norco range feels surprisingly good and controlled. I don't know if that's just consistency of those shocks but I did ride two different ones on two different MT frames. I couldn't get either to ride well. The leverage curve shapes between those bikes aren't that different, just different offsets and starting pressures. But it's not a game changer in my mind.........I did just order a bike with the same setup. I'm just not going to use that shock.

In all (as usual) I think that post was just another reason to make fun of bike industry decisions that could be better but the worse choice was made for no great reason. Just like everything he posts: over the top extrapolation bordering on bloviating, but still with a grain of truth.

Foes has the big guys covered. End of discussion!

rpet said:

There's really a bike called the Rose Uncle Jimbo?!

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They have/had a bike they called "Beef Cake"

They need one called the creepy uncle.

27.5+ tires a must obviously

forgive my naive question, but what shocks work best for heavy dudes then?

slyfink said:

forgive my naive question, but what shocks work best for heavy dudes then?

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the ones with the metal boingers. i think they're called "coil springs"