New DH bike opinions

Nick · Jul 14, 2015

YT really needs to get a demo tour or partner shops on board. I'd vote Tues based on nothing of real substance. I just like it.

slimshady · Jul 14, 2015

I briefly sat On a Tues last year (didn't had the chance to ride it). Out of my memory I could tell you it fitted me in a way it reminded me the feeling I had On a friend's demo. Also, the Scott feels more like a plow bike. If point-and-shoot is your style, pick it. If you want a livelier ride, go with the YT.

demo 9 · Jul 14, 2015

You would sell the bos... ur nuts, thats the best money can buy...

Dibs

yd35 · Jul 15, 2015

Really tough to argue the 1.5k price difference. You may even like the Gambler more, but not sure you'll like it enough to ignore the dollar signs.

That said, I have a 2015 Gambler frame that I built up. I love it. It's about 37 lbs, and as someone mentioned above, it does skew more towards the plow side of things. Its bump absorption is really fantastic, and it does indeed fly through the rough. It'll never be as playful as your Demo (I had a 2010 Demo and that thing had pop for miles) but it's still a very predictable, capable jumper. When I had the BB set at high with 26 wheels, I believe it was higher than my old DHR which was at about 13.4 inches, but it still cornered just as well, even in the long wheelbase setting. As a side note, it runs both 26 and 27.5 wheels and you can adjust the bottom bracket height as well as the wheelbase. Frame also comes with two sets of headset cups which I believe are +-1 degree and +-2 degree, stock being 63. Minuses include a bit of suspension stiffening under heavy braking and a somewhat portly frame weight, at least compared to the carbon wonderbikes out these days.

Never rode the YT, but it has an FSResque suspension and if it's coming in at about 35 lbs, it's gonna be more lively than the Gambler. YT will probably be more active under braking, but I highly doubt that it will be as good as the Gambler in the rough!

tabletop84 · Jul 15, 2015

the Gambler has these pros:

- adjustability
- bigger marketing budget (yeah Brendawg top10), still the bigger company
- "it plows better through the rough" because high single pivot is the new shit

everything else goes to the yt and adjustability-wise you could get close to the gambler especially if you have 1.5k at hand... Dunno if you like Brendog or Claudio as much as everyone else but "plows better through the rough" is debatable as well because I never heard that the Tues "plows bad trough the rough"...

Mo(n)arch · Jul 15, 2015

Step 1: Buy YT
Step 2: Testride YT
Step 3: If you no likey YT, buy Gambler frame
Step 4: Sell YT frame
Step 5: Profit.

Sandwich · Jul 15, 2015

I've heard even more bad shit about BOS customer service in the US very recently. Has anybody had actual experience with them? That would be my concern buying a fully decked out bike with BOS shocks.

supercow · Jul 15, 2015

BOS is absolutely horrendous to deal with, but their products are good.

I used to be a massive fanboy, but I think that the competition's caught them up (I felt they were leaps and bounds above the rest of the competition some years back) and there's no real benefit to going BOS anymore, given the aforementioned ballache they are.

Mo(n)arch · Jul 15, 2015

Performancewise, the BOS BOingerS are as good as it gets I reckon. Not sure about the service, though. You should give them a try.

But the good thing about a YT is, that you can sell the parts you don't like, buy other parts and get away still with money in your pockets. Other solution:

yd35 · Jul 15, 2015

Carraig042 said:
Do you all know what DT Swiss wheels they are? They are labeled at yt2020.

My guess is that the wheels are rebranded DT Swiss FR1950 Classic wheels, which are their 240 hubs laced to FR 570 rims.

djjohnr · Jul 15, 2015

It's worth noting that the YT's suspension is extremely progressive. Whether or not that's a good or bad thing is up to you. Personally I prefer something much more mildly progressive for plow-ability; I'd go for the Gambler.

http://linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2015/03/young-talent-tues-cf-2015.html

http://linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2014/07/scott-gambler-700-2015.html

tabletop84 · Jul 15, 2015

It's not that progressive. It actually works really well with a ccdb-type of shock because of this. In some less progressive frames it tends to be too linear.

Carraig042 said:
That boxxer has the charger damper correct?

yep and with the 2015 solo air upgrade kit you could convert it to a WC. But I think you have to do it quickly because the spring rub can lead to leaked air inside the stanction...

I dunno about us component prices but over here I would buy the Pro model, sell the Bos stuff maybe wheelset too and buy a used ccdb, boxxer rc and update that with either charger or MST damper. If you then still get the Gambler frameset it would save over 1k€

tabletop84 · Jul 15, 2015

I can only speak for the Coil verson the air should be more progressive...

djjohnr · Jul 15, 2015

In general a progressive design will be easier to compress at the beginning of travel and harder to progress at the end of travel then a linear design. If the slope of each were constant the progressive design would become harder to progress after the first half of travel. In practice you want just enough progression to keep from bottoming out harshly. If the design is too progressive for your riding style/terrain the bike becomes harsh deep in travel (can be very noticeable in rock gardens). If the design is too linear for your riding style/terrain you'll be forced to run a stiffer spring to avoid bottoming out harshly.

An air shock will make the bike even more progressive.

Mo(n)arch · Jul 15, 2015

I am riding the 26" version of the Tues with BOS suspension (I know unserviceable!) and while I am really happy with the bike, it seems to favor a lighter compression tune to really work good in the rough. I am sure they worked on this issue with BOS, because the Stoy was not perfectly set up for my version (2013).
The geometry is really good. A tad short for me (1,90m) but workscomponents will help me out soon :thumb:

They lenghtened the front end for the 27,5" version anyway.

Seriously buy the bike and see if you like it. The parts are some of the best money can buy you and most of the stuff is compatible with the Gambler.
And the carbon frame should sell well enough I think.

Can someone do the math with the North American prices?

IH8Rice · Jul 15, 2015

Mo(n)arch said:
Step 1: Buy YT
Step 2: Testride YT
Step 3: If you no likey YT, buy Gambler frame
Step 4: Sell YT frame
Step 5: Profit.

this.
4lbs lighter and $1.5k cheaper? sounds like a easy decision to me

iRider · Jul 15, 2015

Mo(n)arch said:
Seriously buy the bike and see if you like it. The parts are some of the best money can buy you and most of the stuff is compatible with the Gambler.
And the carbon frame should sell well enough I think.

What I never got with this: why would someone pay a reasonable price for the YT frame if he can get a complete bike for not much more? Unless you want to sell it for 500 bucks.

tabletop84 · Jul 15, 2015

Depends what's reasonable for you. There are still not much carbon dh frames out there and with the yt you can undercut V10 sellers pretty easy because over here V10 frameset alone is more than the complete yt...

Mo(n)arch · Jul 16, 2015

IH8Rice said:
this.
4lbs lighter and $1.5k cheaper? sounds like a easy decision to me

And the bike is really good looking too.

I dunno about us component prices but over here I would buy the Pro model, sell the Bos stuff maybe wheelset too and buy a used ccdb, boxxer rc and update that with either charger or MST damper. If you then still get the Gambler frameset it would save over 1k€

This.
Trust the europeans. We have to save money. Because Greece, you know.

tomasis7 · Jul 16, 2015

Bos equipped bike is hard to resist

IH8Rice · Jul 16, 2015

Mo(n)arch said:
And the bike is really good looking too.

for what its worth, the YT is a purty bike. that gambler looks awful which means it rides just the same.
my only hesitation would be dealing with a tiny brand (in the states) like YT. lord knows how much crap i went through with another boutique US brand

Dirk77 · Jul 16, 2015

Buy a 26", they are more funner!

norbar · Jul 16, 2015

IH8Rice said:
for what its worth, the YT is a purty bike. that gambler looks awful which means it rides just the same.
my only hesitation would be dealing with a tiny brand (in the states) like YT. lord knows how much crap i went through with another boutique US brand

While i live much closer to their HQ many of my friends own YT's and their CS is decent. Sometimes they were a bit slow (though my YT owning friends are also a bit slow) but they are always fair with you and in the end all of my friends that had to contact YT were happy with how they were treated.

The bike rides nice too. Nothing super amazing but it seems balanced and the sizing isn't too cramped. Rode last years model for a few runs in a bikepark setting. It's worth getting if you have no moral problems with supporting a direct order company vs buying locally.

jstuhlman · Jul 28, 2015

Can't wait to get up there. Some friends went the other week and said it was great.

daisycutter · Jul 29, 2015

IH8Rice said:
for what its worth, the YT is a purty bike. that gambler looks awful which means it rides just the same.
my only hesitation would be dealing with a tiny brand (in the states) like YT. lord knows how much crap i went through with another boutique US brand

Didn't Evil bikes give you a Carbon replacement frame?

Mo(n)arch · Jul 29, 2015

I wouldn't call YT a boutique brand anymore. They sell a lot of bikes. Like really a lot of bikes. But they had/have also a bit of problems with cracks on the Capra CF. Not sure, if these problems were solved already.

Maybe this helps:

ianjenn · Jul 29, 2015

Got this built Monday. First ride will be Friday. Nice bike for the price...

ianjenn · Jul 29, 2015

Brett

I am testing the bike so it was shipped from their HQ in Europe. It took her awhile to get one out to us! Was nice opening the box and only needing to throw on wheels and bars took under 10 minutes!!

IH8Rice · Jul 29, 2015

daisycutter said:
Didn't Evil bikes give you a Carbon replacement frame?

no, three Revolts. i would have sold the carbon bike as soon as i had tracking info from them showing it was actually shipped f that was the case

Mo(n)arch said:
I wouldn't call YT a boutique brand anymore. They sell a lot of bikes.

maybe not so much "boutique" but they have almost zero presence here in the states

cecil · Jul 29, 2015

I saw a husband and wife both on Tuesdays at windham a couple weeks ago...bikes looked sweet in person

jstuhlman · Jul 29, 2015

Twosdays!
or Twinsdays?

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