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Turbo Monkey
Sep 18, 2009
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I really hate how terrible my rebound damping is when I forget to bleed my swingarm before a ride, reminds me of my old Avid's and my new shimano brakes :(
 

toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
5,502
4,752
Australia
How is that not going to cut through the end of the grip in the first crash and possibly impale the rider? Also, I haven't had a problem with grips twisting in 20 years since I learnt to either install them properly or run lock-ons.

This is actually one of those few products that doesn't solve anything and actually makes stuff worse.
 

demonprec

Monkey
Nov 12, 2004
237
15
Whonnock BC Canada
I switched over to ESI foam grips this year from lifetime of ODI Ruffian or Rouge grips. Now that my controls are all removable without pulling off grips the lock on isn't needed, and the ESI grips are MUCH more comfortable for me. I think there is zero chance of them slipping.

same here on switching to the ESI foam grips , very comfy on the hands when compared to Lock-on grips , i get less hand cramps on long decents and less hand numbness on long climbs
 

xy9ine

Turbo Monkey
Mar 22, 2004
2,940
353
vancouver eastside
mx bikes don't seem to need such tech (not to mention lock-ons), yet our wee bicycles do? i shake my head.

and 'pad-loc'? you go, marketing dept. give yourself a high five.
 

AngryMetalsmith

Business is good, thanks for asking
Jun 4, 2006
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When ODI Lock Ons first came out a lot of my friends had problems with them coming loose. I asked them if they read the directions and of course no one had.

It's real simple, cinch down the inbound side first. Then with the grip being rotated backwards like twisting the throttle you tighten the outbound side. Easy peasy.
 

maxyedor

<b>TOOL PRO</b>
Oct 20, 2005
5,496
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In the bathroom, fighting a battle
I'll admit it, I used to run WTB Velociraptors, thought they kicked ass. Then I tried Weirwolfs because Mark Weir, they put the velociraptorsto shame, then some time later I strted using real tires, the rest, as they say, is history.
 

maxyedor

<b>TOOL PRO</b>
Oct 20, 2005
5,496
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Actually, you're quite wrong. I only recently saw the first Jurassic park, I chose velociraptors because I was a total noob and the tread was similar to the Continental Atlantas that came on my Super V, which I thought were good because they were the only MTB tires I'd ever ridden. The continentals were too expensive, so I bought the WTBs, and thought they also kicked ass because again, I was the noobiest noob who ever noobed, and by my retarded logic they were like a sand paddle in the back and the arrow shaped tread up front kept me going to right direction. I have since learned that arrow shaped tread generally leads to traveling in all directions except the one they're pointed in.

When I become president, one of my first executive orders will be that all beginner mountain bikes be equipped with good tires.
 

Muddy

ancient crusty bog dude
Jul 7, 2013
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I'm on Vigilante FR and love them. My only other repeat tire were Dissent's, missed them, went Maxxis and regreted it. Vigilante have the same predictable bite on the shoulder and transition great. If Hans Dampf do this too then ---
Dissent style Schwalbe :rofl:
 

kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
The dissents aren't too bad in the right dirt. Once you start sliding around though.......definitely schwalbey

Which makes sense because you can tell they literally sat around one day and said "people buy those, we need something that looks like that"

I'd run 'em backwards though :D
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
18,978
9,638
AK
Actually, you're quite wrong. I only recently saw the first Jurassic park, I chose velociraptors because I was a total noob and the tread was similar to the Continental Atlantas that came on my Super V, which I thought were good because they were the only MTB tires I'd ever ridden. The continentals were too expensive, so I bought the WTBs, and thought they also kicked ass because again, I was the noobiest noob who ever noobed, and by my retarded logic they were like a sand paddle in the back and the arrow shaped tread up front kept me going to right direction. I have since learned that arrow shaped tread generally leads to traveling in all directions except the one they're pointed in.

When I become president, one of my first executive orders will be that all beginner mountain bikes be equipped with good tires.
Well I bought them because of the name. They were so F-ing horrible, but I didn't care or know back then.

Before that, my "ultimate' tires were the grey Specialized Umma Gummas.
 

Sandwich

Pig my fish!
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May 23, 2002
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The germans made it, it's got to be simple and effective, right?

I bet it works, unless A) you don't ride exactly like they do or B) you ride your bike outside of a sterile laboratory. I'd stick with oil for its lubricating and protective properties for the internals of your brake system. Regardless of boiling point and all that, I can't see the logic in using water outside of "because we can".
 

Muddy

ancient crusty bog dude
Jul 7, 2013
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Since H2O is one of the most common molecular element structures, these will only become hyper-über-whore bath expensive demanding the most pure of metals. Plus any contamination entering the system will likely swell and clog the circuit, as opposed to oil being able to isolate any loose sediment.
One DH run (as they claim) to test boiling-points does little to sway me.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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20% freezes at 18-20 degrees F. Although my xtr works a little slower at -15F, along with my DOT avid, at least they still work.

In Alaska this would be about as dumb as bringing an uninsulated camelback full of water on a winter ride.

I don't try to ride in -15 much, definitely about my physical limit, but this just doesn't seem grounded in reality. Plus, not that far fetched to start a ride at 20F and at the bottom be 60.
 
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blindboxx2334

Turbo Monkey
Mar 19, 2013
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I just thought of another plus:

If you get stranded, you can cut open your lines and drink that water, not much but everything counts.Try doing that with mineral oil or brake fluid.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
18,978
9,638
AK
I just thought of another plus:

If you get stranded, you can cut open your lines and drink that water, not much but everything counts.Try doing that with mineral oil or brake fluid.
It'll git ya drunk!


Or make you blind