would really like to see a review of this bike...high on my list for next frames...
New "trail bike" rides for 2015 (No DH bikes allowed!)
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Let me get a bit more seat time as I've only been riding it on a flow jump trail where it rips. I'm 5 11 on a large with a 50mm stem and 800 bars.
Any specific questions or just a general review?
Hmm, well, it would likely be my "one" bike. I ride 75% local tech-y trails with some rocks, roots, jumps. But I need something I can take to the mountains, pedal up mostly fire roads, but them plow down steep, chunky gnar at high speeds. Occasional bike park/lift assist trips too.
For context, my current ride is a 2010 uzzi vp. I'd like something as capable but lighter.
That's a sight right?
I'd think you'd want a range.
I'd think you'd want a range.
Yes-Sorry, thought it was a Range, which is what I'd be interested to hear more about. You have/had one, no? Thoughts?
Yeah I've been riding one since last september. It's an absolute beast descender. And by far the one of the stiffest non dh frames I've ridden. I've had mine as light as 29.5lbs (WITH pedals).
It extends under pedal loads which is rad for steep shitty traction stuff. It kind of does the opposite of what suspension should do when punching up steep stair steppy stuff. That's about my only gripe. You need to loctite the hardware but you have an intense, so you should be used to that.
How tall are you? I'm selling it.
It extends under pedal loads which is rad for steep shitty traction stuff. It kind of does the opposite of what suspension should do when punching up steep stair steppy stuff. That's about my only gripe. You need to loctite the hardware but you have an intense, so you should be used to that.
How tall are you? I'm selling it.
Sounds pretty damn good. I'm 6'1" with a preference for a long-ish cockpit. I typically ride a large.
My current bike sits around 34# with pedals (and a coil rear shock).
I don't mind pedaling some weight in exchange for a bit more travel. Have been looking with interest at the new Delirium and Uzzi. Also the RFX. A few friends swear by the new Nomad. Then there's the proc ss 167, Spartan, and Capra. I've considered the Darkside, but seems like too much for me.
Wait, wait, wait...have you been using this bike in the sun?
My current bike sits around 34# with pedals (and a coil rear shock).
I don't mind pedaling some weight in exchange for a bit more travel. Have been looking with interest at the new Delirium and Uzzi. Also the RFX. A few friends swear by the new Nomad. Then there's the proc ss 167, Spartan, and Capra. I've considered the Darkside, but seems like too much for me.
Wait, wait, wait...have you been using this bike in the sun?
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Delirium is such an apt name.
Anyone I know with a Range is about as happy as one can be about a bike. None of those people are climbing beasts, but who gives a poopy darn.
I'm still riding my obsolete POS sb66c. I guess it's alright.
Anyone I know with a Range is about as happy as one can be about a bike. None of those people are climbing beasts, but who gives a poopy darn.
I'm still riding my obsolete POS sb66c. I guess it's alright.
What there's still one of those out in the wild that hasn't been broken yet????
Will wonders never cease!
Hands down the most fun bike to cruz around on that I ever owned. It was always a dh,xc, or knee knocker for me. Not the latest and greatest but 1/2 price
Miraculous!
Yeah you don't want my medium but I'd certainly keep the idea of a large or XL on the list. I bought this after riding a nomad for a month to try it out FWIW. I like the range better. It doesn't climb as well as the nomad but you can actually pump transitions with it. The range is stiffer too.
one of the guys i ride with is on his 3rd carbon Range , each model he has ridden he has cracked it in one spot or another .
Process 167 is a really really good bike i ride mine exclusively on trails and love it , i have climbed faster and decended faster then my previous 2013 Process which was a 26" bike as well .
Where?
ISCG mounts on one , and top tube on another , and not sure i think seat tube area on the last one , they take good care with replacements but still a headache
The iscg mounts were that very first run with a recall and all. I figured that was probably one of them.
Top tube is kinda gnarly..........
Top tube is kinda gnarly..........
How was the seat angle on the Range for you? Sounds like an interesting bike to me, but the seat angle stood out as a questionable number. Are you going to write a review on this bike? The stiffness factor piques my interest.
The stiffness thing kind of surprised me. But I literally took all the same parts off a nomad I rode for a month, built up the range and rode it. Same stem/bars, same wheels, same fork......the works. The fact that it's a horst link is even more bewildering to me.
The seat angle is honestly something I don't notice. As in at 5'8" on a medium, that probably works out to a reasonable 'theoretical' angle.
The seat angle is honestly something I don't notice. As in at 5'8" on a medium, that probably works out to a reasonable 'theoretical' angle.
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top tube was his 1st frame
ISCG mounts where the 2nd frame
No no no.
He is doing that ALL wrong
He is doing that ALL wrong
Correct mine is a Sight but here are a few thoughts as it might relate to the platform and help others. Mine is a large with generally stock parts. Converted to 1x it's 26lbs with pedals and tubes. It's my first modern enduro style bike and it definitely comes alive with speed. The faster the trail the better the bike works. Really tight choppy technical trails make me wish I had gone with a smaller size.
Corners amazing despite the cheesey oem wheelset and crappy tires. I can generally come out of flat or bermed corners faster than entering with very little English. The longer swingarm on the large makes squaring off corners and pulling cutties harder than normal but overall corner speed is amazing. Bike came with 175 cranks and they hit the ground pretty frequented despite me being a pretty tidy rider.
The bike jumps awesome. Super predictable and smooth. Guessing upgraded suspension would only improve this.
Downhills are awesome. The bike gobbles up everything and does so with minimal noise. Doesn't get hung up on square edge hits and off camber slippery spots have been all but forgotten. I was previously on a Fox 36/ 20mm with wide nice quality wheels. Despite this bike having a 32mm fork and crappy wheels it's even stiffer.
It's not the fastest bike to the top but it climbs just about everything with very little fuss. I lock the rear shock out a lot. Standing climbing is definitely a low point with a lot of bob and poor traction. The rear shock is the stock Monarch Debonair with rebound and lockout.
Overall I'm super psyched on the bike. It's one of those bikes that's both fast and fun to ride. My friends generally all have top shelf carbon rides and builds and they think this rides as well or better. They ride the newer carbon Pivots, Processes, and Nomads.
I would be very curious to know if you could run the swingarms from the smaller bikes on the larger ones. For those unaware Norco uses increasingly longer rearends and heavier carbon layups as the sizes increase.
All the swingarms are the same. They vary the main pivot locations on the front triangles. Think about it from a production standpoint. They already have to do different molds for front triangle sizes. This way they still get to use universal rear ends. I've measured them.
Kinda gimmicky IMO. Especially considering how small the chainstay measurements differ between sizes. What it really does, if anything is change the wheel arc between sizes. So technically, each size rides a little differently because the whole monkey motion is in a different spot.
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It's definitely the case. When I bought my range it was the first run batch with the cracky ISCG mounts so we had to switch the front triangle. In doing so, one of the bolts holding the swinglink to the chainstays was stuck/cross threaded. I had to convince the guy at the shop to measure the rear ends between a large and the medium I was buying so I could walk out with a complete frame. Same bits.
Just picked up the pre update Carbon Bronson size large
Full xt group set
Easton arch rims
Chris King rear hub
Hope front
Renthal cockpit
40mm stem
780 carbon bar
Dmr vault pedals
Maxis high rollers
Full xt group set
Easton arch rims
Chris King rear hub
Hope front
Renthal cockpit
40mm stem
780 carbon bar
Dmr vault pedals
Maxis high rollers
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O yeah and fox 36ers
I'm a bit late to the party, but finally got her the way I like (and can afford with a new kid, a mortgage and a new house being built.) I will probably look for a Pike or a Mattoc next year to replace the POS 34.
Got her really cheap, second hand from a guy who really mistreated her. I had to dremel the old cranks out because they were overtorked and loctited (I mean, the crank/axle interface was actually loctited because the interface got deformed and mashed together probably with a hammer), replaced all the bearings and got rid of the Shimano bits (can't stand the ergonomics) except for a brand new XT M8000 cassette. It's a bit on the heavy side but it really rails on the downhills. And after you grow some muscle, it climbs like a (fat) mountain goat. The amount of anti-squat built into this frame is awesome.
Got her really cheap, second hand from a guy who really mistreated her. I had to dremel the old cranks out because they were overtorked and loctited (I mean, the crank/axle interface was actually loctited because the interface got deformed and mashed together probably with a hammer), replaced all the bearings and got rid of the Shimano bits (can't stand the ergonomics) except for a brand new XT M8000 cassette. It's a bit on the heavy side but it really rails on the downhills. And after you grow some muscle, it climbs like a (fat) mountain goat. The amount of anti-squat built into this frame is awesome.
Not only did I go full ghey with 27.5 finally, but I sold my soul to Specialized. Leftover base model with the lower end Pike etc., but for the price, I couldn't pass it up. Put the KS Supernatural post and a 42t cog on, other than that its stock.
Report back on those maguras! MT5s are $180 from overseas and I'm awfully tempted. Would love to hear your thoughts in comparison to the following.
203mm rotors? Don't they rub?
203mm rotors? Don't they rub?
No they spin clear! The MT7 are very nice. I have used and reviewed them in the past. I messed up and got the one without dials to adjust. It turn out they do not have a contact pad point adjustment on the tool less version. They have a ton of power and if you get the pad adjustment version have good modulation to them as well. They are like 340 grams or something crazy so pretty light.....
Technically, I have had this bike since 2005. But I have added a dropper post, which converted my DJ to a "new" trail bike. But of course I can still dirt jump on.
FTFY
Lack of clearance?
As best I remember in 2004 when these came out, XC geometry was no where close to this DJ's geometry. While the seat tube has proven to be "long" for modern DJ geometry it wasn't so in 2004. I love that it is as long as it is. It has allowed me to straddle the fence on several disciplines with a single bike.
XC geometry wasn't actually too far off most 26" DJ frame Geometry at that time.
71/70deg H/As were pretty common on both, BB heights similar and top-tubes (so long as you chose a small or XS XC frame) right around the same length. XC bikes stays were a little longer that's all.
I'm with you on the versatility. I'm 5'11" (33" inseam) and XC (n pretty much everything else) on an old STP with a 450mm post. I just don't enjoy long bikes. Must be all that added "stability" I keep hearing about.