Which way to commit suicide? - Carbon bar advice for the Big Bike

kidwoo · Dec 4, 2015

mykel said:
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Have heard that Envy whist nice are on the stiffer side - vibration damping speaking.

But they sound SO good when they go.

Jm_ · Dec 4, 2015

This: http://www.answerproducts.com/components/bars/carbon-780/

it's thick, it's stiff, it's not stupid light, it feels substantial like you can ram it into a tree of the ground and it will just ask for me. 250g I think, but when you see the layup it inspires some confidence in the thing IMO. I have a Crack Brother's bar as well in the same length and the ends of the bar are scary. I've used the pro taper for a few seasons now.

HAB · Dec 4, 2015

I've got a couple Renthals and haven't died yet. They have less sweep than most bars, so keep that in mind. May or may not be to your liking, I happen to be a fan.

Tim300wsm · Dec 4, 2015

I have sixc on my trail bike they have been great so far and very comfortable

csermonet · Dec 4, 2015

What about one of those Spank Vibracore bars? They have an 800mm, and its marketed as a fatigue reducing damping system. They are alu though

Jm_ · Dec 4, 2015

csermonet said:
What about one of those Spank Vibracore bars? They have an 800mm, and its marketed as a fatigue reducing damping system. They are alu though

You can only run that with ProCore and Rux.

Carraig042 · Dec 4, 2015

I have had very good luck with my RF SIXC bars on NY dh bike over the past few years. I beat the heck out of them and they keep going.

-Brett

MmmBones · Dec 4, 2015

I have been using an ENVE DH bar on my V10 for 4 years and it's still rockin' in the free world. It has less flex than many aluminum bars I've used, but It doesn't bother my metal elbow. Might be wise to go with bar that comes in at 780 to begin with, as cutting a carbon bar down will reduce the vibratory dampernation FX. I would recommend you take a look at the Syntace Vector Carbon, as it comes in 780mm width and has sweep options @ 8 and 12 degrees, the latter is probably the best candidate for someone with hand pain, as it provides an ergonomically superior position for your meatpaws. It also comes in a 35mm rise which would be appropriate for your verticality.

StiHacka · Dec 4, 2015

Chromag BZA. Stiff, robust, well made but pretty good at damping high frequency chatter. Jenson had them on sale a few weeks ago for $59-$69, I liked it so much I bought another one as a spare.

Muddy · Dec 4, 2015

Any reason these were overlooked? The slight S&M reference?

jstuhlman · Dec 4, 2015

been happy with my sixcs. cut them down to around 780. have run them into multiple trees at high rates of speed sans explosion/death.

jackalope · Dec 4, 2015

StiHacka said:
Chromag BZA. Stiff, robust, well made but pretty good at damping high frequency chatter. Jenson had them on sale a few weeks ago for $59-$69, I liked it so much I bought another one as a spare.

This. Haven't tried it on my DH bike, but I've had one for awhile on my Megajizz and it's been aces.

More importantly, I think we need to make a formal decision on how Monkeys should refer to handlebars. I see several examples of plurality when referring to one handlebar, similar to how (filthy) limeys talk about a set of "forks". Given that most Monkeys reside in the land of freedom/gunz, I would propose a formal ban on handlebar plurality when referring to a singular bar. My rational for this change in policy:

* We have a lot more freedom sticks than the UK...hell, we probably have more freedom sticks in Alabama than the whole of Yurp.

* 1776 bishes...cracked bell...Deleware amphibious landing...Yorktown...Battle of New Orleans...Winning

* Shaun Palmer, Tomac, kidwoo, Elvis/Jesus/Rick Flair, C.K. Louis

* Freedom Football > the other Football

* Anything from Oscar Blues > anything from the UK

* Unfettered capitalism/corporate greed/massive wealth inequity > socialism/communism/reasonable health care system

In fact, the only thing I can identify in favor of the UK and unnecessary pluralism, is Steve Peat, who will be retiring in 2016.

I trust BV and sandwich will see the wisdom of the compelling case I've made and strictly enforce correct handlebar tense.

vinny4130 · Dec 5, 2015

There is a bar test somewhere that showed carbon bar strengths and the Syntace bars were on top, then enve..... I'll look for it, I don't remember if it was third party or fluff. Found it, I don't remember the original being in German(?) but here it is.

http://www.radsportusa.com/bike-magazine-handlebar-test.html

Jm_ · Dec 5, 2015

vinny4130 said:
There is a bar test somewhere that showed carbon bar strengths and the Syntace bars were on top, then enve..... I'll look for it, I don't remember if it was third party or fluff. Found it, I don't remember the original being in German(?) but here it is.

http://www.radsportusa.com/bike-magazine-handlebar-test.html

Incomplete though, doesn't even have the Answer Pro Taper carbon DH, it's the carbon SL.

Probably misleading given how much is on the market now and the different categories that everything is in.

maxyedor · Dec 5, 2015

I have Emve DH bars on my trail bike, and hate them. Whole reason I run carbon bars is for the vibration damping, and sweet ass carbon looks, they offer neither. Will be switching to sixC next time I order and overly expensive pile of parts.

MmmBones · Dec 5, 2015

mykel said:
I like the look of the Syntace Vector in 780 @ 20mm / 12 degree.
Cost is steep!! - Anybody know who has them for a reasonable price - considering I have to change to Canuckistani monopoly money?

Bike-discount has the Syntace Vector 20mm/12* at a good price- http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/syntace-vector-7075-high-20-12-780-mm-31,8-70013/wg_id-14975

The BZA is a heck-of-a-deal for one righteous carbon bar (not barz, that would be superfluous) and you are both canadian, so there's that, Eh. I really like my Cromag FU40's on my trail bike and wouldn't hesitate to pick up the BZA at that price. Them dudes like theirs, plus it sounds like it could be the 10th member of the WU-Tang Clan, and they are known for decapitation, which would fulfill your suicide request. How could you go wrong?

iRider · Dec 5, 2015

MmmBones said:
Bike-discount has the Syntace Vector 20mm/12* at a good price- http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/syntace-vector-7075-high-20-12-780-mm-31,8-70013/wg_id-14975

This is the alu 7075 version of the bar and not zee carbonz.

johnbryanpeters · Dec 5, 2015

jackalope said:
This. Haven't tried it on my DH bike, but I've had one for awhile on my Megajizz and it's been aces.

More importantly, I think we need to make a formal decision on how Monkeys should refer to handlebars. I see several examples of plurality when referring to one handlebar, similar to how (filthy) limeys talk about a set of "forks". Given that most Monkeys reside in the land of freedom/gunz, I would propose a formal ban on handlebar plurality when referring to a singular bar. My rational for this change in policy:

* We have a lot more freedom sticks than the UK...hell, we probably have more freedom sticks in Alabama than the whole of Yurp.

* 1776 bishes...cracked bell...Deleware amphibious landing...Yorktown...Battle of New Orleans...Winning

* Shaun Palmer, Tomac, kidwoo, Elvis/Jesus/Rick Flair, C.K. Louis

* Freedom Football > the other Football

* Anything from Oscar Blues > anything from the UK

* Unfettered capitalism/corporate greed/massive wealth inequity > socialism/communism/reasonable health care system

In fact, the only thing I can identify in favor of the UK and unnecessary pluralism, is Steve Peat, who will be retiring in 2016.

I trust BV and sandwich will see the wisdom of the compelling case I've made and strictly enforce correct handlebar tense.

Your handlebars are crookerd, as are your forks.

jackalope · Dec 5, 2015

johnbryanpeters said:
Your handlebars are crookerd, as are your forks.

dtm disapproves of your lack of jingoism.

johnbryanpeters · Dec 5, 2015

Jingo bollocks
Jingo bollocks
Salt with caraway
What a day it is to riot
Handlebars cast away!

MmmBones · Dec 5, 2015

iRider said:
This is the alu 7075 version of the bar and not zee carbonz.

Thanks for catching that error. Here's the best deal I could find in zee carbonz- http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-24888-syntace-vector-carbon-riser-bar.aspx?variantID=115997&gclid=CjwKEAiAs4qzBRD4l-2w7qOoqEMSJABauikXUgeuDVRmIoWJuX65EPUlGoGc93gZFw0afq0nuabb2hoCwYHw_wcB

rollertoaster · Dec 5, 2015

I have 4 sets of sixc. From trail bike to dh bike. The feel drastically better than anything aluminum on my damaged mechanics hand. I haven't died yet so that's a bonus.

ianjenn · Dec 5, 2015

The ENVE DH I have now on trail bike compared to the SIXC 35mm are like a wet noodle. I can for sure feel much more give with the ENVE bars. Crap I can make them move if I push down on the ends hard enough. Granted I never tried this with the 35mm RF bars....

Bikael Molton · Dec 5, 2015

I was just noticing the deep gouges in my trail bike bars from a couple OTBs and felt glad I had aluminum ProTapers.

kidwoo · Dec 5, 2015

ianjenn said:
I can for sure feel much more give with the ENVE bars. Crap I can make them move if I push down on the ends hard enough.

Usually a good sign with carbon. It probably means they're 'working'.

dan-o · Dec 6, 2015

kidwoo said:
Usually a good sign with carbon. It probably means they're 'working'.

Sound reasoning considering how much you like your Range.

kidwoo · Dec 6, 2015

dan-o said:
Sound reasoning considering how much you like your Range.

My range doesn't bend. And like all carbon, when it goes it will go spectactularly with a pop that scares the most remote eagles from the farthest perches, deep into the heavens.

Also.......my hands aren't on my range. It may be just a headtube some bars and a fork but I'm steerin that bitch out!

J-Web · Dec 6, 2015

Renthal's Fatbar carbon is definitely the most forgiving bar that I've ridden.

MmmBones · Dec 6, 2015

mykel said:
Was doing some bench riding in the garage, just trying to imagine a bit more sweep.
While it may be a bit easier on the wrists, it seems to also allow your elbows to tuck in as well as shortening the cockpit. I have enough of a problem keeping the wings out now...and like my cockpit size.

Would the extra sweep of 12 degrees cause me to keep my elbows in more than the traditional 8/9 sweep?
How do you think it would effect reach? ( it much too late to math )

Cheers

They might bring your elbows in a hair bit but it's probably negligible. The difference in reach should be less than 10mm between the Syntace 8* and 12*, but riser bars have sweep that start after the bend from the rise, and that bend can be at a different angle for various manufacturers, so it's really hard to say without having the actual bars to compare. You could probably make up the difference and improve ergonomics by subtracting a headset spacer and rolling the bars forward slightly.

Sandwich · Dec 7, 2015

That vibrocore bars looks pretty cool. I think it's not crazy expensive and people seem to like it/review it well.

I'd also cast a vote for the official handlebars of ridemonkey, the Kore Torsion 2014. Not only does it save lives, it's also a fairly resilient/flexy aluminum. I had an 800mm setup on my old sunday, and now have a newer version that appears to be the same. I definitely like it, and since I'm still alive, these handlebars are staying, until I die at least.

StiHacka · Dec 7, 2015

Kore bars definitely bend.

Westy · Dec 7, 2015

I believe this would be hand friendly and meet your end of life requirement.

ChrisKring · Dec 7, 2015

kidwoo said:
But they sound SO good when they go.

I must have missed it but how did you do that all in one crash? The stem is broke and the bars are broke in two places. Wow

kidwoo · Dec 7, 2015

Not me, friend of a friend. I think he just overshot a big thing. I've seen the thing. It's big. It's definitely a big thing.

But still......aluminum doesn't do that.

Make a really loud sound when it breaks I mean. Carbon has a report that simply can't be beat.

DaveW · Dec 9, 2015

If it's vibration dampening I'd totally go with the spank Vibrocore's.
wide, strong and the best vibration dampening out there.
No it's not carbon but it is the best for vibration problems.

TrumbullHucker · Dec 9, 2015

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