Whistler and the WC?

kickstand · Feb 26, 2016

I don't think anyone has ever thought of this or discussed it before, great idea!

ianjenn · Feb 26, 2016

Does the UCI even know about Whistler?

SDet · Feb 26, 2016

I think it costs money to host a world Cup, and they go to the highest bidder. A mountain that already does great (Whistler) probably isn't up for that kind of deal.

Gary · Feb 26, 2016

Same reasons shitey Fort William has held one every single year since 2002

FlipFantasia · Feb 26, 2016

they've been close a few times, but the UCI's typicalness has resulted in the powers that be here basically saying eff you, we don't need the hassle...in addition to WB sponsor stuff vs. UCI/world cup sponsor stuff and whatnot, although sounds like that was workable. I think they'd still like to have one, I'd still like to see one, but really, Crankworx is already massively successful without it. Personally I want to see a world cup track into creekside now that it's up and running, big euro style speed and corners on lower franz's, and some new cut in tech in the woods....unfortunately new trail development off piste is a non starter until they get First Nations sign off on WB's Master Plan update, but that's been stalled for a couple years now.....

manhattanprjkt83 · Feb 26, 2016

FlipFantasia said:
they've been close a few times, but the UCI's typicalness has resulted in the powers that be here basically saying eff you, we don't need the hassle...in addition to WB sponsor stuff vs. UCI/world cup sponsor stuff and whatnot, although sounds like that was workable. I think they'd still like to have one, I'd still like to see one, but really, Crankworx is already massively successful without it. Personally I want to see a world cup track into creekside now that it's up and running, big euro style speed and corners on lower franz's, and some new cut in tech in the woods....unfortunately new trail development off piste is a non starter until they get First Nations sign off on WB's Master Plan update, but that's been stalled for a couple years now.....

The day creekside was announced I said the same thing, world cup...perfect for it over there and wouldn't interrupt BP operations. So the creekside development plan is on hold? Cmon, that's a bummer.

manhattanprjkt83 · Feb 26, 2016

Electric_City said:
I know! Right? That's why I figured I'd post it here in the forum of undisputed knowledgeable and intellectual geniuses! The replies so far are stacking up to about what I had expected with no answers to the question! Wow... I'm shocked!

As far as the other "It cost money and Whistler already has enough" reply, I've never heard of a company that said "I think we made too much this year. How can we cut back?"

The short answer always repeated... There was never a reason to have a WC. The UCI is a major PITA and WBP rakes in the cash during regular operations, why shut down the bike park to host the race? If you have been around for the garbo race you would know that it really interrupts the park with trail closures. Shutting down the BP for 4-5 days for the race probably doesn't make sense to them at all...That is why creekside would make so much sense, it's kind of it's own isolated area and lift.

gemini2k · Feb 26, 2016

You realize that Crankworks is already the biggest week of the year in whistler right? You want to make it even more of a shit show with no appreciably benefit? That's stupid.

manhattanprjkt83 · Feb 26, 2016

gemini2k said:
You realize that Crankworks is already the biggest week of the year in whistler right? You want to make it even more of a shit show with no appreciably benefit? That's stupid.

I would guess if there is ever a WC at Whistler it would be during a time totally independent of cworx, that would be a mess...over stimulation.

kidwoo · Feb 26, 2016

FlipFantasia said:
.unfortunately new trail development off piste is a non starter until they get First Nations sign off on WB's Master Plan update, but that's been stalled for a couple years now.....

Is that the whole mountain or just some specific zones?

I did notice the uh........out in the openess of the creekside trails last year.

djjohnr · Feb 26, 2016

You guys are all missing the big picture. Now that xHamster is getting involved in mountain bike racing what we should be really asking for is moving the Adult Entertainment Expo to Whistler.

kidwoo · Feb 26, 2016

gemini2k said:
You realize that Crankworks is already the biggest week of the year in whistler right? You want to make it even more of a shit show with no appreciably benefit? That's stupid.

All they have to do is a one off course on blackcomb. They're running lifts to get to the glacier anyway.

It's essentially what a lot of the other venues do.

Not only would it not interfere with the bike park, it would probably get more tickets sold for it that week. It would make everyone with a business in that little blackcomb base area pretty happy.

Throwing it in with crankworx would be kind of absurd IMO. It could be their "other" huge week some other time.

Get the 4x pro tour in there too. Because hey, czech money spends too.

norbar · Feb 26, 2016

Why would whistler want to give money to the UCI douchebags? If they want super big tournouts they can host a super duper whistlerpalooza race themselves and rake in as much money without sponsoring bike antichrist

manhattanprjkt83 · Feb 26, 2016

Because at the end of the day it is the world cup. I don't want much to do with cworx this days but I would want to check out a Whistler UCI event...

shirk007 · Feb 26, 2016

I don't think the UCI approaches venues. Venues approach the UCI. And when you approach the UCI make sure you have briefcases full of cash.

RayB · Feb 26, 2016

There's basically no incentive, financial or otherwise, for Whistler to host a UCI-sanctioned World Cup DH event.

Interestingly enough, the prize purse for Crankworx events are getting pretty sizeable (especially if you factor in the "King of Crankworx" title as well) that I could see more World Cup dudes* show up and try to throw down for the money.

(* Probably not Aaron Gwin tho... that dude's gonna be swimming in money at his new custom home...)

slimshady · Feb 26, 2016

Didn't Whistler host an EWS UCI race last year?

RayB · Feb 26, 2016

slimshady said:
Didn't Whistler host an EWS UCI race last year?

The EWS & UCI have nothing to do with one another.

The EWS (and by extension, the EMBA) basically exists because well... fuck the UCI.

slimshady · Feb 26, 2016

RayB said:
The EWS & UCI have nothing to do with one another.

The EWS (and by extension, the EMBA) basically exists because well... fuck the UCI.

Got it, thanks for wising me up. And praise Jeebus for them escaping the long claws of the UCI.

FlipFantasia · Feb 26, 2016

kidwoo said:
Is that the whole mountain or just some specific zones?

I did notice the uh........out in the openess of the creekside trails last year.

It's semi-complicated, basically the ski runs are considered existing developed, so building a trail on it isn't considered new development, and new trail development within Fitz/garbo/peak is considered allowed under their current master plan so they'll continue in those zones. Creekside is considered new in their master plan update so off-piste new singeltrack development is verboten....It's also why they've put money into upgrading/rerouting/maintaing previously 'unsanctioned' trails within their Controlled Recreation Area (Khyber Pass/Ride Don't Slide/Kashmir/BCs) as opposed to building new singletrack at this point.

FlipFantasia · Feb 26, 2016

manhattanprjkt83 said:
So the creekside development plan is on hold? Cmon, that's a bummer.

only new singletrack development, it was open in August last year until mid-september...and living a 5 minute bike ride away, it was a game changer for me

kickstand · Feb 26, 2016

Electric_City said:
I know! Right? That's why I figured I'd post it here in the forum of undisputed knowledgeable and intellectual geniuses! The replies so far are stacking up to about what I had expected with no answers to the question! Wow... I'm shocked!

As far as the other "It cost money and Whistler already has enough" reply, I've never heard of a company that said "I think we made too much this year. How can we cut back?"

Well it's been stated hundreds of time that they can make as much or more money without the hassle of the uci don't be mad people are giving you the same answer again

maxyedor · Feb 26, 2016

Whistler has a finite number of hotel rooms, camp sites and restaurants. Therefore a finite number of guests can be hosted at any given time without having to build new infrastructure. Seeing as how most of the hospitality is occupied over the summer by people buying lift tickets and overpriced beer already, what good would it do to pay the UCI a bunch of money, and then fill a large portion of those rooms and restaurant seats with team personnel and media who likely wont be buying a lift ticket, or spending money at bars and bike shops. Status quo for the local businesses, and a loser for the mountain. Other resorts use it as a promotional tool to attract crowds the rest of the season, but as it stands, Whistler doesn't exactly have a problem attracting crowds. They'd be pissing away money purely for prestige, a prestige most would argue is already outweighed by that of Crankworks.

jonKranked · Feb 26, 2016

shirk007 said:
I don't think the UCI approaches venues. Venues approach the UCI. And when you approach the UCI make sure you have briefcases full of cash.

this.

also, UCI doesn't like north america that much. one of the reasons windham isn't on the calendar for '16.

jonKranked · Feb 26, 2016

while we're at it, i wish schladming would put in for hosting again.

manhattanprjkt83 · Feb 26, 2016

This thread has me thinking about how unexciting the WC schedule has been the past few years. It's the same old every year...Would be so great to see a true WC circuit come back to life...Asia, South America, actually use some of these great North American mountains and build some fresh tracks...Instead it's the euro states point series.

manhattanprjkt83 · Feb 26, 2016

FlipFantasia said:
It's semi-complicated, basically the ski runs are considered existing developed, so building a trail on it isn't considered new development, and new trail development within Fitz/garbo/peak is considered allowed under their current master plan so they'll continue in those zones. Creekside is considered new in their master plan update so off-piste new singeltrack development is verboten....It's also why they've put money into upgrading/rerouting/maintaing previously 'unsanctioned' trails within their Controlled Recreation Area (Khyber Pass/Ride Don't Slide/Kashmir/BCs) as opposed to building new singletrack at this point.

Thanks man, weird to me though. If you are going to spin the lift cut a couple 4 ft wide trails down that beauty of a mountain side.

So it was a game changer for you because you could access the park so much easier instead of pedaling into the village?

FlipFantasia · Feb 26, 2016

manhattanprjkt83 said:
Thanks man, weird to me though. If you are going to spin the lift cut a couple 4 ft wide trails down that beauty of a mountain side.

So it was a game changer for you because you could access the park so much easier instead of pedaling into the village?

well, they did cut Dusty's Descent, although some people bitch about it being lame, I actually love having some wide open blasters on the ski run....it was a game changer as I generally avoid the village at all costs and found myself not going to the bikepark as much because fitz chair was getting really busy more often. Creekside is my access in the winter, so this made it easy for bikepark, especially since they actually bumped extended play start to 4:30 instead of 5 so people in the south end of town could at least get an uplift on creekside before they close for the evening. then you can hit garbo laps without going to village and then ride out back home.

manhattanprjkt83 · Feb 26, 2016

My time in Whistler this year was spent from basically the day Creekside closed into October so I actually never rode it. I will get to ride over that way this year a bit and looking forward to it. You being a local, I can see how that would be a game changer keeping you out of the mid summer circus. Hopefully they put some gusto into the trail plan for that side and develop some fresh tech, would really add another dimension to the park.

gemini2k · Feb 26, 2016

kidwoo said:
All they have to do is a one off course on blackcomb. They're running lifts to get to the glacier anyway.

It's essentially what a lot of the other venues do.

Yeah doing it another week could be cool, but not at the same time as Crankworks. Hotels are already sold out that week anyways.

Udi · Feb 26, 2016

All I've gathered from this thread is that Whistler should schedule Crankworx to overlap a big UCI WC date, and offer even more exorbitant prizes so that all the WC racers flock to Crankworx instead. Maybe even add a few more conveniently overlapping crankworx rounds.

At this point Mr. UCI will throw his baguette on the floor in disgust and potentially come to Whistler with a briefcase full of cash instead of vice versa.

Then we intercept the guy (or get @gemini2k to since he's 7.5ft tall), steal his briefcase, and split the cash evenly between thread contributors.

SDet · Feb 26, 2016

Electric_City said:
I know! Right? That's why I figured I'd post it here in the forum of undisputed knowledgeable and intellectual geniuses! The replies so far are stacking up to about what I had expected with no answers to the question! Wow... I'm shocked!

As far as the other "It cost money and Whistler already has enough" reply, I've never heard of a company that said "I think we made too much this year. How can we cut back?"

It's more " we make x per weekend, and if we give you $, we get to spend money building a track, and have half the mountain closed on race weekend, and make less money, after spending more than normal?" good plan

4130biker · Feb 26, 2016

Maybe I'm getting the scale of things all wrong from marketing hype, but it seems like the EWS stepped up and UCI lost out on this Enduro thing.

It also seems like everyone would like to see more WC rounds and that the UCI is just money hungry.
Now that EWS is established, If every WC DH athlete jumped ship at the same time for a downhill series run by the EWS (DWS :brows:

), the UCI couldn't do shit about it, right? I think others have alluded to something like this previously on RM, but why not? The industry switched to 27.5 out of the blue, why not ditch the UCI for more profits?

norbar · Feb 27, 2016

manhattanprjkt83 said:
Because at the end of the day it is the world cup. I don't want much to do with cworx this days but I would want to check out a Whistler UCI event...

But you are not one whistler owners or mangers. If you want to see a world cup buy a plane ticket. Put yourself in Whistler ppls place. UCI has on numerous ocasions tried to pressure Whistler like with their stupid idea to treaten riders enterining non UCI sanctioned races with exclusion and fines (and UCI sanctioned race = give money to the UCI)

Electric_City said:
To be honest, I never meant why doesn't Whistler pay the Uci. But rather has the Uci ever approached Whistler about having a race there.

As far as Creekside being open- Whistler had a video on FB about it and showed some really fun looking trails. Someone asked if it was going to be open this year, to which they replied 'yes'.

Idk?

Lol Dude. UCI works basically like the italian mafia in an old timey movie. Why would a company that doesn't care about the sport at all, looses money on everything but the road racing and is only about making money by literally extorting everyone (trade team limitations, not allowing filmakers for teams and a ton of other shit practices) approach anyone?

Also be reasonable guys. Whistler already has races with most of the top dh pros. Do you really need our spot to give money an organization that should die if we want the sport to get better? Fuck that. I'd rather they spread their influence by hosting CWX events all around the globe and creating an alternative DH world cup around that. People might have some quarels with CWX but even penis cancer is better than UCI

jonKranked · Feb 27, 2016

Udi said:
At this point Mr. UCI will throw his baguette on the floor in disgust and potentially come to Whistler with a briefcase full of cash instead of vice versa.

winner

kickstand · Feb 29, 2016

Electric_City said:
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My Googler thingie-mabob must not be working?

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-verizon&source=android-browser&q=Whistler+uci#q=Whistler+Uci+world+cup

what exactly is your point?

Everytime this comes up on ridemonkey I see the same answers, whistler doesn't need to host a worldcup to make money and doesn't want the headache that comes with the UCI. Same answers I have read up until I got to this post of yours. What is your link supposed to show?

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