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Is Sram introducing the 1 x 12?

Mo(n)arch

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They say goodbye to the derailleur.
And in the article about the Zerode trailbike there was a hint about the 12 gears of the pinion.
"A number soon to be popular with more then just the Pinion gearbox."


To move forward, we’re saying goodbye to the past.

Our 1x drivetrains have simplified shifting and improved mountain biking for riders of every level of skill and experience, everywhere they ride. Because of 1x, frame and suspension designs are restricted only by imagination. With 1x, the future of mountain biking is limitless.

This is the future, from the company that lives 1x.
 

dump

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Oct 12, 2001
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Remember in 2002 when we were all on 1x? Thanks for catching up SRAM.
 

Wuffles

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Sram made it as official as possible when they had every thread and post on virtually all forums that mentioned it taken down. This is just the "well if you were paying attention you already knew it, but in case you weren't, it's happening".
 
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dump

Turbo Monkey
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Introduce 12spd to boost sales of 11spd?

Meanwhile, 9spd is running great :)
 

jonKranked

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anyone else notice that the max cog tooth size on the rear derailler is 50? a fucking 50 tooth cassette cog. jesus christ the chaingrowth. they're gonna need to make an XXXXXXXXXXXXXXL cage derailler to account for it.
 

slimshady

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anyone else notice that the max cog tooth size on the rear derailler is 50? a fucking 50 tooth cassette cog. jesus christ the chaingrowth. they're gonna need to make an XXXXXXXXXXXXXXL cage derailler to account for it.
Hey, it's ecological. Now that 'diesel' has turned into a bad word thanks to VW, you'll be able to plow up to four acres with just some beer and french fries...
 

jackalope

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anyone else notice that the max cog tooth size on the rear derailler is 50? a fucking 50 tooth cassette cog. jesus christ the chaingrowth. they're gonna need to make an XXXXXXXXXXXXXXL cage derailler to account for it.
That's it...I'm essentially a multi-millionaire as I type this. No one uses bashguards anymore (tacos or otherwise), which means there's a bunch of unused polycarbonate disks laying around in some warehouse...Acquire this unused stock for pennies on the dollar, get a 50 hp angle grinder per @Westy 's direction, carve'em up to make derailleur cage bash guards since they'll be dragging the ground soon. Maybe even put carbon fiber weave stickers on some models and charge twice as much (although the sticker application part will admittedly by more difficult as my finger count is continually decreased via angle grinder & bourbon interaction).

Once big cogs approach the 70 tooth count size, maybe put small wheels (crabon of course) on the bottom of the derailleur cage in lieu of bashguards.

Drumf is right, making money is so fucking easy! I even have shitty comb over hair ready for when I hit it big...Couple blue blazers and a paisley cravat, and I'm set.
 

dump

Turbo Monkey
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Imagine the wheelies you'll be able to pull with a 50-tooth rear cog!
 

HAB

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anyone else notice that the max cog tooth size on the rear derailler is 50? a fucking 50 tooth cassette cog. jesus christ the chaingrowth. they're gonna need to make an XXXXXXXXXXXXXXL cage derailler to account for it.
Eh, not that bad. 11-50 requires a 40t chain wrap capacity. A mid cage Shimano 11 speed derailleur has a 37t capacity, and a long cage has 45t.

a 30x50 is a 0.6 gear ratio. are they trying to achieve a negative gear ratio? seriously just fucking walk.
They're just developing the drivetrain to pave the way for the upcoming 36+ wheelsize.
 

jonKranked

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just think - you could climb ANYTHING! including the mountain of bills you'll have from buying it because you know its gonna be a fucking $500 cassette
 

wood booger

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just think - you could climb ANYTHING! including the mountain of bills you'll have from buying it because you know its gonna be a fucking $500 cassette
And you will have to get everything from SRAM. Cassette, chain, chain rings, and der are all proprietary and patent protected. They probably did something like changed the pitch of the chain. SRAM can't/won't separate out parts like the crank set when companies are specing Eagle, it's all or nothing.

Seems like quite a few of the big PMs are not fond of that....
Interesting to see how much spec Eagle gets.
 

Sandwich

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i've got a 28t front and 42t rear on a 29er and sometimes I wish I had gone for a 10 speed 11-40t.

In another two years, get ready for....13 speed!
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
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Yeah, I can't really imagine wanting that much range. I've been on 11-36 for years fine. I just put an 11-40 11 speed setup on my Megatrail and even that is more than enough.
 

AngryMetalsmith

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Yeah, I can't really imagine wanting that much range. I've been on 11-36 for years fine. I just put an 11-40 11 speed setup on my Megatrail and even that is more than enough.
What's your front chainring ?

last year I was running 11-34 (9spd) and a 32 front ring. New Spitty has a 1x10 with 11-36 and also a 32 front. Went 10 speed because I didn't like the pricey 11spd cassettes with odd cog sizes. Might put a 40t cog on it at some point but will wait to I actually get some long mountain rides in.

I wonder though at what point does a cog larger than a 36 become useless on a low, slack bike. Seems like it would just be as fast to walk and require less energy, which would better be expended on the downhills.
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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What's your front chainring ?

last year I was running 11-34 (9spd) and a 32 front ring. New Spitty has a 1x10 with 11-36 and also a 32 front. Went 10 speed because I didn't like the pricey 11spd cassettes with odd cog sizes. Might put a 40t cog on it at some point but will wait to I actually get some long mountain rides in.

I wonder though at what point does a cog larger than a 36 become useless on a low, slack bike. Seems like it would just be as fast to walk and require less energy, which would better be expended on the downhills.
34 with the 11-36. I might go to a 36 with the 11 speed dealio.
 

mtg

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34 with the 11-36. I might go to a 36 with the 11 speed dealio.
I'd keep the 34...going up to 36 starts to decrease anti-squat that you might start to notice.

As far as ranges wider than 10-42, many riders don't need that, but it seems to be location (and rider) dependent. For example, many riders in yurp want larger gearing ranges than US based riders. Apparently their climbs are quite steep, bit they still want to be cranking wattz at 40mph on the way down.
Across the US, I could see a smaller range if you ride at lower elevation, have good climbing power, etc. But, if your rides include climbing up steep pitches above 10,000', which we have in CO, a wider range (such as 10-42) is nice.
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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I'd keep the 34...going up to 36 starts to decrease anti-squat that you might start to notice.

As far as ranges wider than 10-42, many riders don't need that, but it seems to be location (and rider) dependent. For example, many riders in yurp want larger gearing ranges than US based riders. Apparently their climbs are quite steep, bit they still want to be cranking wattz at 40mph on the way down.
Across the US, I could see a smaller range if you ride at lower elevation, have good climbing power, etc. But, if your rides include climbing up steep pitches above 10,000', which we have in CO, a wider range (such as 10-42) is nice.
I'd actually been meaning to ask you about that, thanks for beating me to it.

I totally get that gearing needs vary person to person, I can only speak for me personally. The vast majority of the climbing I do is long grinds up fire roads. If I were doing shorter, punchier stuff on more technical terrain I might want a lower gear. I do plenty of 5000-7000 vertical foot days, but they're mostly not at crazy elevation, and mostly not devastatingly steep.