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eric strt6

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perhaps I will go Kayaking downtown

should be interesting



HYDROLOGIC OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN FRANCISCO CA
431 PM PST Tue Jan 3 2017

...POTENTIALLY PROLIFIC RAIN EXPECTED THIS WEEKEND...

At the current time (Tuesday afternoon), we are watching the
beginnings of a moderate Atmospheric River event make landfall
along the coast of California. Several inches of rain are expected
through the overnight hours across the Bay Area and Central Coast,
with 24-hour totals potentially reaching 6 inches or more in the
Santa Cruz Mountains and 6-10 inches in the Santa Lucia Mountains
of Monterey County. While we are focusing our immediate attention
at the current system, another and potentially more potent
atmospheric river (AR) is expected over the coming weekend.

Forecast models suggest that the next AR system may arrive
Saturday and extend through the weekend and possibly into early
next week. While the current system (Tuesday) is focused more
discretely at the Central Coast, this weekend`s AR system is
expected to deliver heavy rain to a more widely distributed
portion of both the Bay Area and Central Coast. Weather Prediction
Center long-time-scale models suggest that rain totals including
both today`s AR event plus this weekend`s AR event could reach 15
inches or more in the coastal mountains of our area, suggesting
this weekend`s AR system is much more potent. Using these
numbers, coastal mountains of the North Bay, Santa Cruz County,
and Monterey County could see 10 or more inches from this
weekend`s forecast AR event alone. As we move closer to the event
this weekend, higher resolution simulations will become available
that will shed additional light on expected rainfall amounts. The
general consensus and punchline at this time is that next
weekend`s system will be stronger than the system currently
affecting our service area.

If the forecast above is realized, the hydrologic impacts of such
a weather pattern are expected to be numerous and widespread
through many sectors of the service area. With mostly light rain
and brief reprieves expected between tonight`s AR system and the
weekend, soils will likely remain well-saturated in all but the
sandiest of soils. Base flows in creeks and rivers will remain
high, reflecting continual drainage of saturated soils, subsurface
storm flow, and activation and/or rejuvenation of locally spring-
fed systems. Some smaller reservoirs may continue to safely spill
through the week. In combination, this means that the runoff
response to this weekend`s AR event will be quick and most of the
rain will efficiently convert to runoff and streamflow.

Main-stem rivers: River Forecast Center forecasts of stream flow
and stage that extend through this weekend`s AR system have not
yet been simulated at this point in time, but in the coming days
the forecast window will include this weekend`s AR system and so
we will have a more complete picture of expected water levels in
larger rivers of our area. If rainfall predictions remain
consistent to that described above, it is likely some of our
larger river systems will flood. More information on this topic
will be refined and released in the coming days...please stay
tuned.

Smaller creeks and streams: It is very likely that many flood-
prone creeks and rivers of the Bay Area and Central Coast will
rise above their banks. Lowland valley settings of the North Bay,
which frequently flood, will likely do so with this weekend`s
storm system. The drainages of the Coast Range will also be very
susceptible to flooding. Notably, the watersheds within the Santa
Cruz Mountains and Santa Lucia Mountains will be prone to flooding
because rainfall rates and accumulation are again expected to be
high this weekend. Flash Flood Watches and Warnings will highlight
problem spots and creeks expected to flood, so stay tuned for NWS
issuance of such products in the coming days.

Urban and agricultural areas: With heavy and intense rains
expected, storm drains will likely become overwhelmed in many
urban locations. Storm drains could also be easily backwatered
where receiving water bodies are elevated due to storm runoff
(creeks and rivers). Agricultural areas and rangeland in flatter
valley settings may easily be inundated, especially where soils
have been compacted and are clayey. With a strong focus on the
Central Coast, the lower Pajaro and Salinas Valley agricultural
areas could experience problematic drainage and flooding from this
weekend`s storm system.

Wildfire burn scars: We have already issued a Flash Flood Watch
for the Soberanes and Chimney Burn Scars in Monterey County to
reflect our concern with tonight`s storm and the potential for
heavy rain to engender debris flows in steeper terrain. Our
concern for debris flows within the Soberanes and Chimney Burn
Scars will continue this weekend, but we will also be concerned
with the Loma Burn Scar and Santa Cruz/Santa Clara County and the
Sawmill Burn Scar in Sonoma County. Rainfall rates that exceed
roughly 3/4" to 1" per hour or more will likely cause slope
failure and debris flows within steeper and more intensely burned
terrain. These rates are not outside the realm of possibility for
this weekend`s AR system.

Debris flows and landsliding: Outside of burn scars, elevated
rainfall rates and saturated soils could cause debris flows and
shallow landsliding in the coastal mountainous areas of the Bay
Area and Central Coast.

Please stay tuned for additional information from NWS SF/Monterey
Bay Area, including important Watches, Warnings and Advisories.
Most importantly, be prepared, and stay safe through these storms.
 

eric strt6

Resident Curmudgeon
Sep 8, 2001
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Oh and every inch of rain in the lowlands tends to translate to a foot of snow in the Sierras for you ski bums...unfortunately the Avalanche Danger is now extreme. we had a hard pack followed by a foot or so of pwder that got covered up by 3-4 feet of heavy wet snow. major slab avalance potential
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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In 2003 Hurricane Isabel dropped over 20 inches of rain in 24 hours on some of my favorite trails in Sherando Virginia. Some RV sized boulders got washed from a scree field and deposited a few miles down the mountain.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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Looks like rain/snow for Tahoe. Mass runoff looks to be coming.
 

kazlx

Patches O'Houlihan
Aug 7, 2006
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It's been crazy down here too. Nice to have the rain, but too much too fast is going to cause problems. On the plus side, might wash the bums out of the flood channels.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
41,213
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Portland, OR
well this should help that drought some, right?
It's all in how they get it. Like kazlx said, too much too fast = bad. Overall raising the level of lakes and reservoirs is a good thing, but too much too fast on drought lands causes slides and washouts.
 

jonKranked

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It's all in how they get it. Like kazlx said, too much too fast = bad. Overall raising the level of lakes and reservoirs is a good thing, but too much too fast on drought lands causes slides and washouts.
yea forgot about that part, but if they're getting serious snow up in the mountains, the spring runoff will certainly help (minus the aforementioned avalanche risk)
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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could it rain for 40 days/nights over san francisco and clean the piss/shit off the streets?
 

kazlx

Patches O'Houlihan
Aug 7, 2006
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yea forgot about that part, but if they're getting serious snow up in the mountains, the spring runoff will certainly help (minus the aforementioned avalanche risk)
Snow is down pretty low. It's also been quite a bit colder this winter so far than probably the last 10 years.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
41,213
13,346
Portland, OR
The moisture is washing away the smell of bum piss in the LA downtown area. More please.
There is a corner of the building (my desk was a few windows down from it) that it a frequent potty stop. Because the windows are mirror tinted, people seem to forget (or maybe just don't care) that folks might be on the other side of it while they do they business. I don't miss that view.
 

mandown

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Jun 1, 2004
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There is a corner of the building (my desk was a few windows down from it) that it a frequent potty stop. Because the windows are mirror tinted, people seem to forget (or maybe just don't care) that folks might be on the other side of it while they do they business. I don't miss that view.
My employees regularly leave large, smelly dumps in my inbox. Oh wait, that's their work product, which explains why they don't wipe not wash their hands.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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if and when i build something on the land in pagosa springs....going to find an old sno cat for winter driving....
 

6thElement

Schrodinger's Immigrant
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I'll start work on your ark, right after I've dug out from the snow tomorrow/Friday sometime.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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yea forgot about that part, but if they're getting serious snow up in the mountains, the spring runoff will certainly help (minus the aforementioned avalanche risk)
Depends, high snow levels melt mass amounts of snowpack that just runs out, reservoirs in the winter are run very low to provide flood control (as a buffer), mass rain events can really stress all of the drainages. Ideally you build up the snowpack during winter and end up with a decent sized one above about 5,000 feet or so in the Sierras. I remember back in the 90s when we got some warm storms and it rained like crazy all the way up to about 8000', it was disastrous.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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AK
They are talking about this storm raining up to 9K...so that could be bad.
FLOOD WATCH
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RENO NV
257 PM PST WED JAN 4 2017

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/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/
GREATER LAKE TAHOE AREA-GREATER RENO-CARSON CITY-MINDEN AREA-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, TRUCKEE, STATELINE,
INCLINE VILLAGE, SPARKS, GARDNERVILLE, AND VIRGINIA CITY
257 PM PST WED JAN 4 2017

...FLOOD WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH
MONDAY MORNING...

THE FLOOD WATCH CONTINUES FOR

* FLOOD WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF EAST CENTRAL CALIFORNIA AND WESTERN
NEVADA, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING AREAS, THE LAKE TAHOE BASIN,
RENO-SPARKS, WASHOE VALLEY, LITTLE VALLEY BURN SCAR, CARSON
CITY, AND DOUGLAS COUNTY.

* FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY MORNING

* AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVER WILL PRODUCE A PERIOD OF INTENSE RAINFALL
WITH SNOW LEVELS AS HIGH AS 9000 FEET EARLY SUNDAY MORNING TO
MONDAY MORNING. RAINFALL TOTALS OF 6 TO 12 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE
AROUND THE TAHOE BASIN AND IN THE CARSON RANGE WITH UP TO 3
INCHES IN THE LOWER ELEVATIONS AROUND RENO-SPARKS, CARSON CITY
AND DOUGLAS COUNTY.

* A COMBINATION OF INTENSE RAIN ON SATURATED SOILS WILL LEAD TO
EXCESSIVE RUNOFF. FLOODING ALONG THE TRUCKEE RIVER, CARSON RIVER
INCLUDING THE EAST AND WEST FORKS, CREEKS, STREAMS, URBAN AREAS,
FARMLAND IS LIKELY, THIS INCLUDE WASHOE VALLEY AND AREAS NEAR
THE LITTLE VALLEY BURN SCAR. TRAVEL COULD BE VERY DIFFICULT
WITH SOME ROADS COVERED BY WATER AND IMPACTED BY ROCK AND MUD
SLIDES.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

NOW IS THE TIME TO PREPARE FOR FLOODING! CREEKS, STREAMS, URBAN
AREAS, FARMLAND AND RECENT BURN SCARS ARE THE MOST SUSCEPTIBLE TO
FLOODING. THOSE WITH INTERESTS IN WASHOE VALLEY AND ALONG CREEKS,
STREAMS AND THE TRUCKEE AND CARSON RIVERS SHOULD TAKE ACTION TO
REMOVE OR PROTECT VALUABLES IN FLOOD PRONE AREAS.

&&

$$
Yeah, wow. Nice knowing you.
 

eric strt6

Resident Curmudgeon
Sep 8, 2001
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I was around for the last two big flood events 1982 which wiped out so many areas in the mountains and lowlands alike and 1997s repeat. I have the RV prepped with food, water and power ready to head for higher ground should there be an issue with the Del Valle lake Dam even though the worst case 100yr flood maps show me 3 blocks away from the furthest possible innundation should it fail. In the previous flood events there were widespread power outages from the transmission line towers getting swept away by water or mudslides taking down the main lines and I know I am the oly guy in the neighborhood with a back up home generator although there are a dozen or so RVs in my hood
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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Yep, rain at 9000' is bad bad shit. Pineapple Express. We could use more snow, but at leas we have snow and it's stayed cold. Last winter it rained throughout the entire season...here in freaking Alaska. Torrential rain at 9000' sounds like it'll devastate the snowpack, just like in 97.
 

PatBranch

Turbo Monkey
Sep 24, 2004
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Yep, rain at 9000' is bad bad shit. Pineapple Express. We could use more snow, but at leas we have snow and it's stayed cold. Last winter it rained throughout the entire season...here in freaking Alaska. Torrential rain at 9000' sounds like it'll devastate the snowpack, just like in 97.
Yeah... Hopefully, it gets cold. It looks like it'll be upper 30s/40s like when I was there on the 24th.
 

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jonKranked

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Yep, rain at 9000' is bad bad shit. Pineapple Express. We could use more snow, but at leas we have snow and it's stayed cold. Last winter it rained throughout the entire season...here in freaking Alaska. Torrential rain at 9000' sounds like it'll devastate the snowpack, just like in 97.
I had to google what pineapple Express meant in this context.