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Another fork choice, Cane Creek joins the game

slimshady

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atrokz said:
This fork does look amazing, has some killer features, but lets see how it goes for the first year.
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Indeed. Given how the bike industry lizards have embraced the Microsoft Way of Doing Stuff™ (AKA The End User Is Our Beta Tester), I found myself a lot more comfortable with second or even third-gen products. This seems to be the case with all the big players, which focus their production on the OEM segment. Smaller companies tend to do a lot more research before shooting a new product in the market, but I'm afraid CC has adopted the big bois' approach since the CCDBIL days.
 
Metamorphic

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slimshady said:
Indeed. Given how the bike industry lizards have embraced the Microsoft Way of Doing Stuff™ (AKA The End User Is Our Beta Tester), I found myself a lot more comfortable with second or even third-gen products. This seems to be the case with all the big players, which focus their production on the OEM segment. Smaller companies tend to do a lot more research before shooting a new product in the market, but I'm afraid CC has adopted the big bois' approach since the CCDBIL days.
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To be fair, this fork has been banging around Pisgah/Wilsons for at least 6 months by the shop shredders at Cane Creek and some of the other local rippers that know the CC boys during development of the fork.

We're getting way ahead of ourselves. POINT IS: Company released new fork with some novel design features that may stimulate competition in the market and give us all another option. Let's wait and see. Get excited. you haters. So sure it'll be a POS? Then wait until it explodes under every rider who touches it and then come back and just give us hell. I hope it works out for them, really do.
 
slimshady

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Metamorphic said:
To be fair, this fork has been banging around Pisgah/Wilsons for at least 6 months by the shop shredders at Cane Creek and some of the other local rippers that know the CC boys during development of the fork.

We're getting way ahead of ourselves. POINT IS: Company released new fork with some novel design features that may stimulate competition in the market and give us all another option. Let's wait and see. Get excited. you haters. So sure it'll be a POS? Then wait until it explodes under every rider who touches it and then come back and just give us hell. I hope it works out for them, really do.
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I'm not implying It'll be a POS, or even mediocre. As you mentioned, it has some clever solutions and novel approaches to actual issues or nuances, such as the equalizing mechanism for the negative chamber, the volume reducing system, etc. But devil is in the details, and even having a comparatively big roster of beta testers can't guarantee your product will face every possible condition. Let's hope CC has learned the lesson from the rushed launch of the IL, and this fork is a success from day one.

As you said, the best we can do is wait and see. Jumping into the hype bandwagon when shopping for new stuff has proved to be an expensive endeavor in the last years, so excuse me if I choose to be cautious in this case.

I think our motto down here as Systems Administrators applies here: "Expect the worst, hope for the best"
 
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StiHacka

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Metamorphic said:
. POINT IS: Company released new fork with some novel design features that may stimulate competition in the market and give us all another option. Let's wait and see. Get excited. you haters. So sure it'll be a POS? Then wait until it explodes under every rider who touches it and then come back and just give us hell. I hope it works out for them, really do.
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I see no novel design features there, just a design that is simple for the sake of reliability and easy servicing. So if they turn out not to be reliable or become Cane Creaks, the CC fork game is over.
 
Nick

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SuboptimusPrime said:
Surprised at the level of animosity toward CC.
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I had borrowed a CCDB coil for my dh bike and loved it.
Based on that I purchased a CCDBA/cs for the trail bike. It was brand new replacement, all black jobber, straight from CC for a warranty replacement, and it was DOA, no rebound damping and leaking oil right out of the box. The hassle soured me on their stuff.
 
StiHacka

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Nick said:
Based on that I purchased a CCDBA/cs for the trail bike. It was brand new replacement, all black jobber, straight from CC for a warranty replacement, and it was DOA, no rebound damping and leaking oil right out of the box. The hassle soured me on their stuff.
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The CCDBACS on my bike lasted about 6 months before it lost some oil and started cavitating. The customer service guys were helpful but coerced me into paying for the fix as in those six months, I rode enough to warrant a major service, therefore not warranty. I find it difficult to own a shock that won't last even a single season without having to be sent to the mothership. /coolstorybro
 
Mo(n)arch

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Honestly the more I think about it, the more I feel to go the "American dream" way and go back to coil boingers.
Consistency brought to you by DHers. You are welcome.
 
Sandwich

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I'll be interested to see how the chassis performs first and foremost. A great damper is great, but fox has seals, axles (20 fucking mm), seems to be crowns dialed right now. I would not want to go back to a lesser fork after the buttery smoothness of my 36. Bushing tolerances, lube, seals...those are a much bigger deal on a fork than a rear damper.

The combo is the big winner, but I'd rather have a mediocre damper in a perfect fork than a perfect damper in a fork that doesn't slide.
 
jackalope

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Sandwich said:
I'll be interested to see how the chassis performs first and foremost. A great damper is great, but fox has seals, axles (20 fucking mm), seems to be crowns dialed right now. I would not want to go back to a lesser fork after the buttery smoothness of my 36. Bushing tolerances, lube, seals...those are a much bigger deal on a fork than a rear damper.

The combo is the big winner, but I'd rather have a mediocre damper in a perfect fork than a perfect damper in a fork that doesn't slide.
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I dunno man, forks with shitty bushing tolerances can have great mid-stroke support!
 
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I've had good luck w/CC. Too many headsets to count over the years and they've all been flawless including a couple of angle sets that are more complicated than the average headset. Also a CCDBA, CCDBC, and a CCDBACS that have all been flawless. Customer service has also been stellar from them. They always seem eager to help and patient.

With that being said I doubt this fork will end up on any of my bikes in the near future. I'm really enjoying the Mattoc Pro II I have for trail riding so anything over $800.00 is going to have to be flawless to justify the extra expense. $1100 just seems like way too much for a single crown but that seems to becoming the norm these days.
 
djjohnr

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pizza diavola

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I finally read the pinkbike article referenced in post #10. What I learned is, Jim Morrison has finally resurfaced and is now director of engineering at Cane Creek. Well done Jim! Mr Mojo Risin indeed.

I now have renewed hope for Andy Kaufman's comeback.
 
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pizza diavola

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But seriously, i'd buy if I wasn't stuck in the past with an obsolete wheel diameter. I've had nothing but good experiences with first year forks. The best was when I bought a rockshox totem May 2007; I read nothing but glowing reviews and user experiences that March and April so I went ahead and bought. Literally the week after I committed, I started reading about blown seals, creaking crowns, and premature stanchion wear. I soon experienced all three. Having said that my LSB and Norco took good care of me.

Well WTF does that have to do with this new CC fork? Absolutely nothing, I just felt like sharing a story. I do hope that CC nails it. My CCDB coil on my DH bike has been flawless.
 
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jonKranked

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time-bomb said:
I've had good luck w/CC. Too many headsets to count over the years and they've all been flawless including a couple of angle sets that are more complicated than the average headset. Also a CCDBA, CCDBC, and a CCDBACS that have all been flawless. Customer service has also been stellar from them. They always seem eager to help and patient.

With that being said I doubt this fork will end up on any of my bikes in the near future. I'm really enjoying the Mattoc Pro II I have for trail riding so anything over $800.00 is going to have to be flawless to justify the extra expense. $1100 just seems like way too much for a single crown but that seems to becoming the norm these days.
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OT - did you ever ride the original mattoc?
 
Jm_

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kickstand said:
No reading required, you still think that cat 3 XC racers are harder on bikes than cat 1 DH racers.....probably could beat most DH racers on their hardtails too right?
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Reverse that, and you'll have what I meant.
 
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jonKranked said:
OT - did you ever ride the original mattoc?
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I did. I also experienced the 10mm loss in travel that were common in many. I didn't even realize it until I ready about it. Manitou sent me the upgraded part for free (free shipping too) and that took care of that problem.

I haven't messed around much w/the IVA in the Pro 2 but other than that and the new axel they are the same fork in terms of features. All new Mattocs and Mattoc Pro 2s now come w/the updated air spring assembly.

I haven't tried the MRD IRT yet but I plan on getting it and putting in my original Mattoc . Interestingly enough, that system is pretty much the exact same as CC's Triplair system that they decided not to use - only it came out about 1.5 years ago. I'm actually pretty excited about it. It sounds like it will give you quite a bit more adjustability.
 
jonKranked

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time-bomb said:
I did. I also experienced the 10mm loss in travel that were common in many. I didn't even realize it until I ready about it. Manitou sent me the upgraded part for free (free shipping too) and that took care of that problem.

I haven't messed around much w/the IVA in the Pro 2 but other than that and the new axel they are the same fork in terms of features. All new Mattocs and Mattoc Pro 2s now come w/the updated air spring assembly.

I haven't tried the MRD IRT yet but I plan on getting it and putting in my original Mattoc . Interestingly enough, that system is pretty much the exact same as CC's Triplair system that they decided not to use - only it came out about 1.5 years ago. I'm actually pretty excited about it. It sounds like it will give you quite a bit more adjustability.
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cool, thanks for the insight. i'm planning on getting the IRT for my mattoc 1 this spring as well.
 
djjohnr

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- The leverage ratio of your fork doesn't change, but usually your rear linkage is progressive these days. The adjustable ramp of the fork makes it easier to match the rear.

- Ending air spring ramp feels better to me then the old hydraulic bottom out systems did

- Increasing the bottom out ramp can increase the amount of energy the spring can store before bottoming out
 
profro

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StiHacka said:
Fast consecutive hits?
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Better damping?

djjohnr said:
- Ending air spring ramp feels better to me then the old hydraulic bottom out systems did

- Increasing the bottom out ramp can increase the amount of energy the spring can store before bottoming out
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-anything "old" in mtb suspension was horrid. Maybe try new?

-if you still have a need for more storage, then maybe your damping didn't properly slow the movement down?
 
mykel

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jonKranked said:
cool, thanks for the insight. i'm planning on getting the IRT for my mattoc 1 this spring as well.
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Have an IRT in my Mattoc 1 Pro.
Does what it says on the tin.
Takes a bit of finagle time to nail the pressures, but when you do...
Nice and supple off the top, great mid stroke and the hydraulic bottom out to ice the cake.

Well worth the coin.
 
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