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Next generation Nomad?

Olga_icannot

Chimp
Aug 16, 2014
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A friend of a friend of a friend claims to have snapped this photo in Moab, not Australia.

Yes, that is a shameless grasp at fame.

All parts of this post are true.
 

Huck Banzai

Turbo Monkey
May 8, 2005
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I almost got excited then I remembered I got sick of skittle barf and a lack of XXL except for 9'ers which I maintain still suck huge moose anuses.

Think I might need a Banshee Spitfire.

EDIT: 6'7" guy certifying that big wheels are not for big people. Nope. Not even slightly.
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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If they really did finally make a trail bike without that stupid parabolic leverage curve I'm going to give joe grainey a big gratuitous tongue bath.
The shock hole through the seat tube looks really small though. Hopefully you can get a coil and/or big air shock (I.e. X2) through there.

Either way, if they can un-fuck the leverage curve, that would be a big step forward. That said, we've talked about this before. It's totally possible to make a VPP bike not suck with a top link driven shock. They still don't do it, for some fucking reason.
 

jstuhlman

bagpipe wanker
Dec 3, 2009
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It's true, coil shocks are very good at changing the inherent leverage curve designed into a frame.

They also make genies if you rub them the right way. And if you plant them in the ground, they grow money trees.
o rly? BRB! *goes outside to plant his shock so he can afford a "real" bike
 

ianjenn

Turbo Monkey
Sep 12, 2006
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I almost got excited then I remembered I got sick of skittle barf and a lack of XXL except for 9'ers which I maintain still suck huge moose anuses.

Think I might need a Banshee Spitfire.

EDIT: 6'7" guy certifying that big wheels are not for big people. Nope. Not even slightly.
Just get a Nicolai or Megatrail already.....
 

lobsterCT

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Jun 23, 2015
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The shock hole through the seat tube looks really small though. Hopefully you can get a coil and/or big air shock (I.e. X2) through there.

Either way, if they can un-fuck the leverage curve, that would be a big step forward. That said, we've talked about this before. It's totally possible to make a VPP bike not suck with a top link driven shock. They still don't do it, for some fucking reason.
tracer275.jpg

Saw this a couple weeks ago in an article about a new intense bike. Still top-driven VPP, but considerably less fucked than most of the others. I have a nomad, and agree the inverted U leverage curve sucks. I put a coil on it and that helped some.

Nomad is currently wall art. Riding a new balance.
 

kidwoo

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The caption from that Image^^^^^

Last year's Tracer 275c (blue) had a regressive rate at the beginning stroke to support pedaling. The red line reveals the new Tracer's progressive leverage rate. Intense image


Cuz there's nothing that helps "pedaling™" more than putting the highest leverage portion right at sag and then lowering it at topout.
 
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kidwoo

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Didn't the old marketing copy state that it kept the suspension at the sag point more often than other designs?
Probably.

There actually is some truth in that. Ever ride a current gen nomad and notice that even fairly significant changes in shock pressure don't change the sag point that much? That's the hammock. It basically makes air shocks act more like air shocks........which is cray cray.
 
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troy

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Dec 3, 2008
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best comment "this looks identical to something i'd never buy"
Actually it does look like a crackkencal supreme from 2009...

Meanwhile in the crack pipe land (it starts at 9:30):

 
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HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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Saw this a couple weeks ago in an article about a new intense bike. Still top-driven VPP, but considerably less fucked than most of the others. I have a nomad, and agree the inverted U leverage curve sucks. I put a coil on it and that helped some.
Exactly. Go fuck around with one of the top link driven bikes in linkage. It's not that hard to give them a pretty linear, progressive leverage curve without doing anything else super goofy. I don't get why they don't. Putting a coil on definitely helps, but at the end of the day, it's still trying to optimize something that is inherently not as good as it could be. SC clearly knows it too, the V10 (I.e. the actual race bike) is great. They just need to start making their trail bikes like that too.