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norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
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I remember some time ago he wanted to do some split pivoted bikes but it wasn't a full time jurb but you probably know that since there was more info on rotorburn than here on rm.
 

Bobodaclown

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Apr 16, 2005
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The RL9 was one crazy bike rode through everything like it wasn't there super plush - loved that bike - I loved my Yeti DH9mono as well but the RL9 was a step up, was a bit on the porky side but once moving you did not feel it at all. Sully is also a great guy and will go out of his way to help with anything he can.

I think they were looking at Split Pivot bikes for trail bikes and still using the Lawwill design for the new DH rig - the RLi - see the attached designs for the new rig...383965_10151022622285300_550900299_22096448_595064437_n.jpg385097_10151022881895300_550900299_22097283_22323407_n.jpg386217_10151022878905300_550900299_22097261_392510184_n.jpg
 

itscraigp

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May 8, 2012
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Hey Anybody Know If Sully is Still Around? Was In Monroe WA last we spoke. Phone #?
email?


The RL9 was one crazy bike rode through everything like it wasn't there super plush - loved that bike - I loved my Yeti DH9mono as well but the RL9 was a step up, was a bit on the porky side but once moving you did not feel it at all. Sully is also a great guy and will go out of his way to help with anything he can.

I think they were looking at Split Pivot bikes for trail bikes and still using the Lawwill design for the new DH rig - the RLi - see the attached designs for the new rig...View attachment 110159View attachment 110160View attachment 110161
 

Tetreault

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Nov 23, 2005
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dear baby jesus did this bike ever get me excited a number of years ago. I seriously thought by now we would be seeing a far more amount of gear box bikes available to the public compared to what has actually happened.
 

no skid marks

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Jan 15, 2006
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dear baby jesus did this bike ever get me excited a number of years ago. I seriously thought by now we would be seeing a far more amount of gear box bikes available to the public compared to what has actually happened.
Yeah hopefully Sully will pick up again with a Pinion all MTN version. Shame that DH one never got made. Looked good, but probably heavy, not that it matters as much with a gearbox bike with little weight out back, although the swingarm looks pretty weighty on this..
 

Sandwich

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May 23, 2002
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LOL, can't wait to not see that one produced as well...

I still hold the early straight six as one of the best riding bikes I've owned. The straight 8 with a pull shock was no slouch either. Didn't ride the late model Rotecs nor Yetis.
 

Jim Mac

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May 21, 2004
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I faintly remember the Rotecs being renowned for snapping chains when suspension was bottomed out while in larger rear cogs? Seen several Geoff Ulmer snaps at Platty when he rode for Rotec.
 

IH8Rice

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Aug 2, 2008
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LOL, can't wait to not see that one produced as well...

I still hold the early straight six as one of the best riding bikes I've owned. The straight 8 with a pull shock was no slouch either. Didn't ride the late model Rotecs nor Yetis.
i remember the pull shock straight 8 i had for a bit being like a couch and able to plow through anything but it couldnt pedal all too well. especially compared to the single pivot foes i had at the time.
 

dump

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Oct 12, 2001
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i remember the pull shock straight 8 i had for a bit being like a couch and able to plow through anything but it couldnt pedal all too well. especially compared to the single pivot foes i had at the time.
Could definitely plow, very couch-like, pedaling was mediocre, braking was great, solid and confidence-inspiring.
 

Sandwich

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I snapped a derailleur on my s8. That bike was heavy but rode ok. The six had mediocre suspension but pedaled well and had great geometry. I would not have said the pedaling was mediocre though on either. I honestly rode both those bikes more xx than dh
 

dump

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Oct 12, 2001
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Why are you riding a 45lb DH bike XC?

I thought the 6 was actually a great trail bike. Similar to what folks are riding now as trail bikes.
 

boostindoubles

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Mar 16, 2004
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I've been wanting a 4" SS 26 or 27.5 for years now. This is the closest thing I've seen yet. I didn't think a bike company would take this direction. Don't know what to think, will reserve opinion until I can take one smashy smashy.
 

Sandwich

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Why are you riding a 45lb DH bike XC?

I thought the 6 was actually a great trail bike. Similar to what folks are riding now as trail bikes.
I was younger, dumber, and stronger then. And I could afford only one bike, so of course I needed an 8" travel DH sled with a MR Dirt on the front.
 

Sandwich

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I've been wanting a 4" SS 26 or 27.5 for years now. This is the closest thing I've seen yet. I didn't think a bike company would take this direction. Don't know what to think, will reserve opinion until I can take one smashy smashy.
wait really? what about the Pslope, kona Bass, dobermann le pink, black market killswitch, or NS switch?
 

dump

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Oct 12, 2001
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Were falling rate right?
I think so. I remember the 6 being so... i.e. was great until it got to bottom out territory, then it seemed to blow through. Bottomed hard and often because this was in the days of seeing how much you could drop. I had the progressive linkage on the 8 (fwiw) and so that wasn't falling rate.
 

Sandwich

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none of those bikes ride over actual terrain variations worth a shit...
So what makes you think a concentric B.B. pivot bike with a falling rate is going to do better than 7 other bikes with the same or better design? Concentrics are super fun park bikes but trash on trails. They corner well and jump fairly but they aren’t good bikes. Not sure what the rotec variant does differently than any other one. The rotec doesn’t even use a rising rate linkage like have of them do.
 

boostindoubles

Nacho Libre
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They corner well and jump fairly but they aren’t good bikes.
All the concentric bikes out there have shit geo for proper trail smashing. They're great park bikes and the Lenz/Kona are xc rippers but wheres the moto trail bike geo. The goal isn't to improve on the concentric it's to get one built around proper geometry. Stick a stiff coil spring in that'll take hits and fend off the mash and we are good to go.
 

4130biker

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May 24, 2007
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Wouldn't an air spring deal with a falling rate better? GHY in Renton has one of these in stock- despite its potential shortcomings, I think it looks like a fun bike
 

Jm_

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Jan 14, 2002
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Wouldn't an air spring deal with a falling rate better? GHY in Renton has one of these in stock- despite its potential shortcomings, I think it looks like a fun bike
Air springs are flat in the mid stroke, so no.
 
So what makes you think a concentric B.B. pivot bike with a falling rate is going to do better than 7 other bikes with the same or better design?
i'll admit, i'm completely ignorant of all the specifics when it comes to suspension kinematics, but i assumed a concentric pivot with the wheel attached to the vertical dropout link instead of the chainstay would ride better...
 

Sandwich

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Ah, I am only talking about the little rotec, not the dh one. I can’t see such a low pivot on a bike you have to pedal. Park riding, sure.