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Fort Williams 2018: The Lizard Rockgardening.

Gary

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v disappointed with redballs recently. They discontinued my smart TV app. Now I can't live stream the race while "paying attention" to my kids. I'd have to have my phone out the entire time, or buy one of the three devices they still support. Looks like I'm done watching races this season :(
PS3 or PS4 App works fine and are mega cheap/affordable.
MonsterEnergy Supercross game is awesome too (for the kidz obvz ;) )
 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
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this. I tried the app on my smart tv a few times, but it sucked donkey's balls. To be honest, I think it has more to do with my smart TV's wireless connection than the app, but I always just plugged my laptop into my TV with an HDMI cable, and never had issues.
 

Sandwich

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yeah, I'd consider a PS4 mostly to be able to play the last of us...just don't want to buy the system then have RB pull the plug on that app too.

a computer makes sense, but I don't want my living room to look like compUSA. It already looks like toys r us. The RB TV app was super clean, and the last iteration worked very well and allowed me to transition back to cartoons super easily. 1WP.
 

Dogboy

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The RB TV app was super clean, and the last iteration worked very well and allowed me to transition back to cartoons super easily. 1WP.
Does your TV have an internet browser? The app on mine also disappeared, but I can just use the browser to go to the Redbull TV site.
 

jstuhlman

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y u not chromecast? $30 well spent, imo. I can cast from the app on my phone that way, although I do keep an hdmi cable coiled up behind the tv, which works well with the laptop for non-supported things.

have to agree - the race was not super exciting to watch. thankfully leogang's this weekend (but then another month between events, dammit!) paging @jackalope . . . . please proceed to the white courtesy innerwebs connection and download your predictions, pronto.
 

norbar

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PS3 or PS4 App works fine and are mega cheap/affordable.
MonsterEnergy Supercross game is awesome too (for the kidz obvz ;) )
Yeah it does but it's shitty you can no longer use the app on samsung smart tv. Why do I need to buy something only to watch the worldcups. It's not like the app works great on other devices.
 

norbar

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I don't want to beat a dead horse, but why the heck is still Ft Kippers in UCI's calendar? The track is boring AF to watch, ins almost 99% artificial and without any seriously challenging obstacles.
It's here because it has been here for a long time. It's basically the super old rationalization called "tradition". I'd rather we go back to Maribor or Schladming but in the end what matters is who wants to pay to host a WC race.
 

FlipSide

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Chromecast is like $30. Then you can stream from your phone to TV. Nice thing is, once it’s directed to the content, it no longer relies on your phone like an Apple TV.
My (old) AppleTV is 100% stand-alone. No need for another device at all. Maybe the newer versions are different?

Actually, I always thought Apple really dropped the ball on this. It would have been so easy for these greedy fuckers to make it mandatory to pair the AppleTV with an iPhone or iPad like they did so well for the Apple Watch.
 

Inclag

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That guy with the Pole bike didn't qualify. He made many units of qualifying last year when he was not on Pole bike.
 

jonKranked

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I don't want to beat a dead horse, but why the heck is still Ft Kippers in UCI's calendar? The track is boring AF to watch, it's almost 99% artificial and without any seriously challenging obstacles.
Because they submitted a hosting bid (and corresponding required pile of money) and it was accepted by the UCI.
 

aenema

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That guy with the Pole bike didn't qualify. He made many units of qualifying last year when he was not on Pole bike.
Yeah, Isak crushed it on a Canfield last year. I guess getting a deal based on your successes creates compromises on which bike you have to now ride...
 

4130biker

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My (old) AppleTV is 100% stand-alone. No need for another device at all. Maybe the newer versions are different?

Actually, I always thought Apple really dropped the ball on this. It would have been so easy for these greedy fuckers to make it mandatory to pair the AppleTV with an iPhone or iPad like they did so well for the Apple Watch.
You’re right, it is standalone, as long as you are using an app that is on the device.
As far as I know, it does not have red bull tv. Now you could mirror your apple device, but this is where it gets annoying if you leave the room or try to do something else with your phone. Chromecast doesn’t have a lot of compatible apps, but it’s pretty flawless with the ones that it does (YouTube, Red Bull tv are my main uses). Plus it does CEC which is surprisingly handy and makes throwing something up on the screen quick and easy w no remote or messing with changing inputs.
 

Gary

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yeah, I'd consider a PS4 mostly to be able to play the last of us...just don't want to buy the system then have RB pull the plug on that app too.
Oh.. If you haven't played it a PS3/4 is worth the money for "The Last of us" alone. Hands down the best console game ever created in my view.

What makes you think RB might pull the Sony App?
 

jonKranked

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Yeah that's a good argument. Gary do you know why they are not going for a completely new track? Maybe something shorter but steeper? The fans go there because of the atmosphere and the venue not because of the track anyway.
Because building an all new track is a shitload of work? And subsequently expensive?
 

'size

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May 30, 2007
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nope, 16. START column is 1-16, Nr column is 1-17 but missing 6.
edit - assuming that's where you were looking. i may still be mathtarded.
issue solved, sort of. whew.
tl;dw - jack moir is the other protected but he wasn't there so wasn't listed on any start lists.
 

TrumbullHucker

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Aug 29, 2005
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This track spit people out, holy shit

Maybe The Lizards should stop putting so much time and effort into data monitoring and E shifting, and get back to the drawing board and fix fucking flat tires and broken chains.

Lucas crash sounded scary af

#banVPP29rs
 

Gary

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Gary do you know why they are not going for a completely new track? Maybe something shorter but steeper?
The entire first 3/4mile of track is built upon a peat bog that's covered in snow throughout the winter. it never dries enough to sustain anything other than a manmade track. hence the boardwalk and all those rocks. A new track would still have to be a manmade one and more than likely have to be made with similar materials.
The second half from not much further down than the deer gate follows an old walkers path. it's been re-routed a few times now (The Motorway is on it's 4th re-route as an example)

The fans go there because of the atmosphere and the venue not because of the track anyway.
UK fans are crazy for it TBF. Most of which know fuck all about DH. I wouldn't go near the place during the WC anymore.
 

norbar

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The entire first 3/4mile of track is built upon a peat bog that's covered in snow throughout the winter. it never dries enough to sustain anything other than a manmade track. hence the boardwalk and all those rocks. A new track would still have to be a manmade one and more than likely have to be made with similar materials.
The second half from not much further down than the deer gate follows an old walkers path. it's been re-routed a few times now (The Motorway is on it's 4th re-route as an example)


UK fans are crazy for it TBF. Most of which know fuck all about DH. I wouldn't go near the place during the WC anymore.
Yeah I understand the upper part. I have no issue with it but why not cut the motorway, make it steeper even if it means the finishline isn't exactly next to the lift? You can still have some big jumps for the people who think unicycles are cool.
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
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This track spit people out, holy shit

Maybe The Lizards should stop putting so much time and effort into data monitoring and E shifting, and get back to the drawing board and fix fucking flat tires and broken chains.

Lucas crash sounded scary af

#banVPP29rs
I blame overly stiff rims. During the good old days of crazy lines and less straightline speed most of the riders were using soft rims since that meant less flats and now everyone uses super stiff carbon rims and guess what happens...
 

toodles

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Aug 24, 2004
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Or EBikes with motors in tubes leading to no air in tubes leading to no pinch flats. See? I just solved biking.
The best reason I've ever imagined for owning an e-bike is the ability to run an air-compressor off the motor.
 

Gary

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Yeah I understand the upper part. I have no issue with it but why not cut the motorway, make it steeper even if it means the finishline isn't exactly next to the lift?
hahaha
:lighten: FFS at least take a look at a map of the track before leaving the bongshed to type your master plan. How the fuck do you suggest making the flat portion at the BASE of a mountain STEEPER?



Changing the finish area to anywhere further up the hill would mean extremely poor access, a completely disjointed pit area and the riders would still need to pedal down the motorway and through the original finish arena to get back on the lift anyway.
The finish area is actually pretty unique and watching riders whip the tissot (or whoever pays for thir name on that jump) into the finish arena does actually build suspense for the crowd waiting at the finish. Most of those 30000 spectators will never cleanly jump tables the size of the motorway jumps so when they walk by them they are mightily impressed seeing the top riders in the world making them look easy.
Your master plan is a sure way to reduce spectator numbers from 30000 to around 300 and removing Ft William from the WC series scedule for good. i'll give you that.
:drag:
 

Inclag

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Yeah, Isak crushed it on a Canfield last year. I guess getting a deal based on your successes creates compromises on which bike you have to now ride...
He was ~mid 40's in the overall rankings last year and probably would have ranked in the 30's had he raced the final WC last year....
 

4130biker

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How would that stop broken chains? Crankshaft is the answer.
that, or a boost chain standard :D


lets see... back to 9spd chain width, but maybe .2mm shorter links so they are backwards compatible with nothing?
 
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Gary

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lots of brits on a small island with only 120 mountains wanna see a world cup race every year
82 of which happen to be in Scotland. a country with a population of 5m
ALL 82 are legally accessible to E-mountainbike on.
 
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norbar

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hahaha
:lighten: FFS at least take a look at a map of the track before leaving the bongshed to type your master plan. How the fuck do you suggest making the flat portion at the BASE of a mountain STEEPER?



Changing the finish area to anywhere further up the hill would mean extremely poor access, a completely disjointed pit area and the riders would still need to pedal down the motorway and through the original finish arena to get back on the lift anyway.
The finish area is actually pretty unique and watching riders whip the tissot (or whoever pays for thir name on that jump) into the finish arena does actually build suspense for the crowd waiting at the finish. Most of those 30000 spectators will never cleanly jump tables the size of the motorway jumps so when they walk by them they are mightily impressed seeing the top riders in the world making them look easy.
Your master plan is a sure way to reduce spectator numbers from 30000 to around 300 and removing Ft William from the WC series scedule for good. i'll give you that.
:drag:
FFS at least take a course in reading comprehension Gary. I know they didn't have shit like that in XV century but you can easily take them online in 2018. I didn't suggest making the flat portion at the base of the mountain steeper. I simply suggested making the final part of the track shorter. For some reasons the only solutions you see is the opposite of what I saw so either digging underground or ending the course higher. What I say is end it at the same level as the finish line, just not in the same place so you get the same level change over a shorter distance therefore the track is steeper. I also never suggested erasing the motorway completely. I have said that the jumps are important and some of them should be on the new variant (there goes that course I was talking about) so the track would still be spectator friendly. This is why I asked you nicely ( I know it's a foreign concept in medieval Britain) if you know of any area where the finish could be moved since looking at the map there are some fire roads so I was asking you if it's possible to put it there without much issue but apparently making the track better is not important, we better not change anything (why I am I surprised this is your answer) since as long as the average joe spectators are happy we should be happy too. It's better to try to improve the old way with Scottish bogs that trip 3/4 of the riders.
 

Gary

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Look at the map again. This time pay attention to elevation markings. You're asking the impossible of any track builder/designer except for maybe Gwin's big beardy pal above.
Aanoch Mor is not a steep mountain. Not the Nevis side anyway. (where the gondola runs)

My English comprehension is A1. Your humour comprehension seems to be way off.