British DH world champs team

jstuhlman · Jul 31, 2018

dang. that does seem weird.

was stoked to see local jr. nate st. clair made the US team!

SuboptimusPrime · Jul 31, 2018

jstuhlman said:
dang. that does seem weird.

was stoked to see local jr. nate st. clair made the US team!

Luke Vrouwenvelder is on the XC team and he's an NC local too. (Chapel Hill, at school at Les McRae).

canadmos · Jul 31, 2018

Yeah that is strange. I guess Gee hasn't had the greatest of results lately, mostly I'm guessing due to all the injuries and crashes he's had.

Looks like he's in 24th position over all, which to be fair is that bad considering the number of racers out there.

Has Phil even done more than one race this year?

canadmos · Jul 31, 2018

Rank Name Points
4 HART Danny 1148
8 GREENLAND Laurie 957
17 BRAYTON Adam 551
19 WALKER Matt 525
24 ATHERTON Gee 450
27 WILLIAMSON Greg 432
35 WILSON Reece 339
42 SMITH Joseph 299
43 VERNON Taylor 290
47 JONES Michael 277
50 FAIRCLOUGH Brendan 268
55 GANNICOTT George 263
64 READING Jack 236
69 HATTON Charlie 222
78 BREEDEN Joe 196
85 KERR Bernard 184
89 SIMMONDS Matthew 173
91 EDWARDS Kade 172
98 ATWILL Philip 161
113 KERR Henry 136
121 MOLLOY Harry 125
130 HERD Sam 118
132 BEAUMONT Marc 115
190 SEAGRAVE Kaos 86
207 EDMONDSON Jamie 70
222 COCKBURN Luke 69
229 GALLAGHER Kenta 65
246 HEAP Elliott 60
247 JONES William 60
278 MORRIS Oliver 50
299 WILLIAMSON Jay 45
339 DALE Sam 35
353 LOWE Josh 31
357 SMITH Robert 30
364 DAVIES Emyr 30
408 BLAIR Lachlan 22
453 TYRRELL Morgan 18
469 JAMES Myles 16
496 GANNICOTT Arran 12
555 PARFITT Joe 9
589 KERR George 6
634 HART Will 4
637 RICHARDS Shaun 4
667 MCGLONE Fraser 2
669 CATHRO Ben 2

Gary · Jul 31, 2018

Who cares about Gee or Brendan not being included when they didn't see the potential of LUKE FUCKING COCKBURN ?

captainspauldin · Jul 31, 2018

Gary said:
Who cares about Gee or Brendan not being included when they didn't see the potential of LUKE FUCKING COCKBURN ?

With 69 points introducing Luke Cockburn...

fwp · Jul 31, 2018

William42 said:
Looks like Brendog missed the cut again, but even bigger, is this the first year Gee hasn't been sent since he started? Crazy to think a multiple DH world champ didn't make the cut.

2018 British World Champs DH Team

Elite Men

Phil Atwill

Adam Brayton

Laurie Greenland

Danny Hart

Mike Jones

Matt Walker

Reece Wilson

Elite Women

Rachel Atherton

Katy Curd

Tahnee Seagrave

Junior Men

Luke Birkett

Jamie Edmonson

Kade Edwards

Henry Kerr

George Kerr

Riley Scott

Morgan Tyrell

Junior Women

Maya Atkinson

Rosy Monaghan

IMO Brendog is more talented overall than anyone on that team, probably in the world, he's just a couple clicks off race pace. On top of that I don't think that Gambler is helping him get where he needs to be.

Bikael Molton · Jul 31, 2018

LEts go Laurie!

So why is bummer not attending then?

Gary · Jul 31, 2018

@rpet
B.C. criteria. It's hardly the first year their choice of Worlds team riders has been fucked.

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/gbcyclingteam/article/Gbrst_gb-cyclingteam-GB-Team-Major-Events-Selection-Documents-0

Udi · Jul 31, 2018

fwp said:
IMO Brendog is more talented overall than anyone on that team, probably in the world, he's just a couple clicks off race pace. On top of that I don't think that Gambler is helping him get where he needs to be.

lol

TrumbullHucker · Jul 31, 2018

fwp said:
IMO Brendog is more talented overall than anyone on that team, probably in the world, he's just a couple clicks off race pace. On top of that I don't think that Gambler is helping him get where he needs to be.

Yeah idk he also does rampage which is pretty beast. I'm sure the dude is cool as hell, but his fancy new toys aren't helping him be close to a threat(BOS and prototype frame)
he is very styleish, for sure, just watch his 45 min video of himself in slow mo

fwp · Aug 1, 2018

TrumbullHucker said:
Yeah idk he also does rampage which is pretty beast. I'm sure the dude is cool as hell, but his fancy new toys aren't helping him be close to a threat(BOS and prototype frame)
he is very styleish, for sure, just watch his 45 min video of himself in slow mo

Everytime I see that Scott its got a prototype linkage or redesign or running a different shock air/coil. To me that isn't the tell tale sign of a rider who is loving his bike. Hell Neko butchered up a fox 40 and threw 29 inch wheels on his Gambler and claimed it to be a big improvement?

Just have a feeling he would do better on a different bike, I could be wrong, but look at what a new bike did for guys like Brook, Norton, Vergier, and pretty much anyone racing that new Commencal V4 29.

Bikael Molton · Aug 1, 2018

Brendog should retire. Being a charismatic bloke who whips good and looks fast does not make a successful DH racer.
Bummer should retire too.

I wonder how many of these guys come from money (like all(?) top level auto racing), so results-based contracts aren’t what keeps em in the game?

Scott is wack, BOS seems pretty wack too.

Gary · Aug 1, 2018

fwp said:
I could be wrong, but look at what a ~~new bike~~ GT did for ~~guys like~~ Brook

shelteringsky · Aug 1, 2018

rpet said:
Brendog should retire. Being a charismatic bloke who whips good and looks fast does not make a successful DH racer.
Bummer should retire too.

I wonder how many of these guys come from money (like all(?) top level auto racing), so results-based contracts aren’t what keeps em in the game?

Scott is wack, BOS seems pretty wack too.

I'm glad you weren't dishing out career advice when Blenki was in a slump...

Sure, Brendog hasn't cracked the top 20 this year (21st at Fort Bill his best result AFAIK) but he's had some bad luck (DSQ at Leogang), some some shit tracks (Losinj) not to mention all the young guys just smashing it this year. He's still got the pace and the fact that he's such a versatile rider is a sponsor's wet dream. Why not keep riding the gravy train?

I do wonder about the Scott/BOS set up though...

chris_f · Aug 2, 2018

"All the young guys smashing it this year"? So what you're saying is he'd be higher up if it wasn't for the fact that other people were consistently faster than him? No shit, that's racing dude.

I love watching the guy ride, and his current bike looks absolutely fantastic with that prototype frame, big USD fork (which is probably unridabru as fuck) and shiny TRP brakes, but like Gee his career as a competitive racer is clearly over.

konastab01 · Aug 2, 2018

Mad team

shelteringsky · Aug 2, 2018

chris_f said:
"All the young guys smashing it this year"? So what you're saying is he'd be higher up if it wasn't for the fact that other people were consistently faster than him? No shit, that's racing dude.

I love watching the guy ride, and his current bike looks absolutely fantastic with that prototype frame, big USD fork (which is probably unridabru as fuck) and shiny TRP brakes, but like Gee his career as a competitive racer is clearly over.

No, dude. I actually said that 'all the young guys smashing it this year' was one of three factors why I think he's been outside the top 20... read my post again and stop cherry picking.

chris_f said:
I love watching the guy ride, and his current bike looks absolutely fantastic with that prototype frame, big USD fork (which is probably unridabru as fuck) and shiny TRP brakes, but like Gee his career as a competitive racer is clearly over.

Again, look at Blenki and take his 2016 season for example. One top ten on the old skool favourite MSA, in the top 30 once, and then outside the top 30 for the rest of the season. Brook Macdonald has had a similar trajectory. By your rationale, these guys' careers as competitive racers would have been over in 2016... People bounce back.

sethimus · Aug 3, 2018

shelteringsky said:
People bounce back.

so brendog will bounce back to what exactly?

Gary · Aug 3, 2018

S'pose it all depends how far back you think he can bounce to

WC top 15s 2016?
WC top 10s 2015?
top 10s 2007/8/9/10/12/13?
3rd Champery 2010? 5th Schladming 2006? 3rd Pila 2003?

Might need a DeLorean to get on the box again

shelteringsky · Aug 3, 2018

sethimus said:
so brendog will bounce back to what exactly?

Top 20 maybe. Who knows?

William42 said:
I donno, I don't like shitting on brendog, and I really like that he's still on the WC circuit with a major sponsor. Even if come actual race time I don't care, there's always good video and pictures of him. I'd rather not get on the bandwagon of "that dude needs to retire blahblahblah"

But a worlds team spot he doesn't deserve. That's for the fastest people the country has to offer.

Which is why its puzzling that Gee doesn't have a spot.

Yeah, agreed that Brendog doesn't deserve a spot on the world's team. Think the calls for him to retire are premature though.

dan-o · Aug 3, 2018

fwp said:
Everytime I see that Scott its got a prototype linkage or redesign or running a different shock air/coil. To me that isn't the tell tale sign of a rider who is loving his bike. Hell Neko butchered up a fox 40 and threw 29 inch wheels on his Gambler and claimed it to be a big improvement?

Neko is still an 'also ran' in WCs despite sharing the same bike as gwinn.
tl:dr: It's not the bike.

I see brendon's role as a branding and r&d tool.
He's a crowd favorite due to his style and his ability to perform in varied events.
From a marketing perspective he's more valuable than any pure WC racer that never makes the podium.

toodles · Aug 3, 2018

shelteringsky said:
Yeah, agreed that Brendog doesn't deserve a spot on the world's team. Think the calls for him to retire are premature though.

Yeah wtf? He's still doing better than plenty of other riders. Plus he's a sponsor's wet dream style and coverage wise. Why the hell would he retire?

If you had to retire the moment you weren't a top 10 threat there's plenty of riders that would have been gone a long time ago.

Besides - he doesn't seem to like enduro, what would he do with the rest of his life?

Gary · Aug 4, 2018

toodles said:
Besides - he doesn't seem to like enduro, what would he do with the rest of his life?

He seems to like E-Enduro

and has a 100% record of the top step

sethimus · Aug 4, 2018

William42 said:
I donno, I don't like shitting on brendog, and I really like that he's still on the WC circuit with a major sponsor. Even if come actual race time I don't care, there's always good video and pictures of him. I'd rather not get on the bandwagon of "that dude needs to retire blahblahblah"

But a worlds team spot he doesn't deserve. That's for the fastest people the country has to offer.

remember when the team was called scott 11? i wonder why there are not so many other riders still on that team. maybe has something to do with brendog's not so small salary?

Gary · Aug 4, 2018

William42 said:
Which is why its puzzling that Gee doesn't have a spot.

Click link in post #12
& RTFM

fwp · Aug 4, 2018

The Athertons have more world cup/world champs wins than the rest of the country combined and I don't see that changing. Stupid to not have Gee. The odds are stacked against his replacement even going top 15, Greenland and Hart are the only two with a punchers chance.

Gary · Aug 4, 2018

William42 said:
Anyway, Gary, I honestly don't care to read the British rules on their national champ team rider choices. Whoever wrote them was stupid, and I'm going to make fun of them for it. I don't need to know the specifics of why Gee didn't get chosen, just that it was dumb of them not to choose him.

Not as dumb as making fun of rules you haven't even bothered to read.
Gee will have known the selection criteria since he was first picked for team GB as a junior... it wouldn't have been a surprise to him.

aaronjb · Aug 4, 2018

For guys like Fariclough, racing is probably just a part of the whole program. Videos, followers, etc. - exposure and views are important to sponsors, I'd think.

Athertons were cashing some big checks for a long time. I'm sure they're A-OK.

KAZHA · Aug 5, 2018

William42 said:
Just because people know the rules doesn't mean the rules aren't dumb. Gee probably did know that he wasn't going to make it on the team. That doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid decision, and a stupid rule that kept him from it. Just because "it's the rules" doesn't mean that somebody else has a higher chance of success than a two time world champ winner, multiple world cup winner, and somebody who has more UCI points than they do.

just because the fastest guys crashed :/

aaronjb · Aug 5, 2018

KAZHA said:
just because the fastest guys crashed :/

The "fastest guys" should have had the skill to make it down the mountain on those days. No one jumped out of the woods and tossed a stick in their spokes.

Gary · Aug 5, 2018

OMG. RTFM or STFU

Have I ever said I agree with BCs TEAM GB selection criteria? No. Infact. It's fairly obvious if you read my earlier comments that I don't. But I have at least taken the time to actually read exactly what that criteria is. You sound dumb as fuck whining on about a ruling you haven't even bothered to read.

aaronjb · Aug 5, 2018

So we have this thread but nothing on Max Morgan missing the cut on the U.S. team?

British DH world champs team

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