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Gary

Gary

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Electric_City said:
Fwiw, my post held credibility "Why are E-bikes being mentioned in the "this is what's right" thread... In a DH forum?"
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*sigh*

Such a muggle.

Now we have sub 48lb, sub 65deg HA, sub 13" BB, 170mm travel Ebikes. They are the perfect alternative to pushing a DH bike or riding an Enduro bike uphill to ride a few descents in areas with no uplift access. Allowing roughly double the descending you could achieve pedalling uphill on an enduro bike and almost 3 times more than pushing a DH bike. Pretty much why any DH biased rider would appreciate owning one. and Exactly why they fit in with "what's right with the industry" in countries such as mine with limited uplift, masses of world class descending and ZERO access issues. Not that this was why I mentioned them in the first place.
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I happened to be discussing chain retention and the fact slight back pedalling of the crank can cause chain drop and the fact that a freewheel at the crank can put a stop to it. You saw the letter "E" and lost your shit as usual.
I guess reading your own user name must cause a melt down every time you log in here too nowadays?

You remind me of the lycra idiots in the '90s who ran around all "offended" that DHers were not "earning" their descents so didn't deserve to be riding them as much as they did.

Complete fannies!
 
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jonKranked

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Gary said:
*sigh*

Such a muggle.

Now we have sub 48lb, sub 65deg HA, sub 13" BB, 170mm travel Ebikes. They are the perfect alternative to pushing a DH bike or riding an Enduro bike uphill to ride a few descents in areas with no uplift access. Allowing roughly double the descending you could achieve pedalling uphill on an enduro bike and almost 3 times more than pushing a DH bike. Pretty much why any DH biased rider would appreciate owning one. and Exactly why they fit in with "what's right with the industry" in countries such as mine with limited uplift, masses of world class descending and ZERO access issues. Not that this was why I mentioned them in the first place
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I happened to be discussing chain retention and the fact slight back pedalling of the crank can cause chain drop and the fact that a freewheel at the crank can put a stop to it. You saw the letter "E" and lost your shit as usual.
I guess reading your own user name must cause a melt down every time you log in here too nowadays?
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have you considered moving somewhere that has uplift access?
 
Gary

Gary

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jonKranked said:
have you considered moving somewhere that has uplift access?
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I'm just over 30 minutes drive from my nearest uplifted hill. There are many many far better descents in the same area that are not accessible by uplift though. I'm fairly confident all the best DH trails in the world don't have all year round uplift either.
 
jonKranked

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Gary said:
I'm just over 30 minutes drive from my nearest uplifted hill. There are many many far better descents in the same area that are not accessible by uplift though. I'm fairly confident all the best DH trails in the world don't have all year round uplift either.
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do you e-bike to the uplift?
 
Electric_City

Electric_City

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Gary said:
*sigh*

Such a muggle.

Now we have sub 48lb, sub 65deg HA, sub 13" BB, 170mm travel Ebikes. They are the perfect alternative to pushing a DH bike or riding an Enduro bike uphill to ride a few descents in areas with no uplift access. Allowing roughly double the descending you could achieve pedalling uphill on an enduro bike and almost 3 times more than pushing a DH bike. Pretty much why any DH biased rider would appreciate owning one. and Exactly why they fit in with "what's right with the industry" in countries such as mine with limited uplift, masses of world class descending and ZERO access issues. Not that this was why I mentioned them in the first place.
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I happened to be discussing chain retention and the fact slight back pedalling of the crank can cause chain drop and the fact that a freewheel at the crank can put a stop to it. You saw the letter "E" and lost your shit as usual.
I guess reading your own user name must cause a melt down every time you log in here too nowadays?

You remind me of the lycra idiots in the '90s who ran around all "offended" that DHers were not "earning" their descents so didn't deserve to be riding them as much as they did.

Complete fannies!
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Your 5 paragraph knee-jerk replies to my 2-3 sentences are too long and probably off topic. If you want to talk E-bikes, start a different thread? Maybe a different forum? Is there even an EDH bike? Oh, well!

 
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William42

William42

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Electric_City said:
Your 5 paragraph knee-jerk replies to my 2-3 sentences are too long and probably off topic. If you want to talk E-bikes, start a different thread? Maybe a different forum? Is there even an EDH bike? Oh, well!]
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Let it go. Guy has several bikes to choose from, and the E bike gives him the most time spent descending in his area. Who gives a shit? Move on and don't spend your life trying to get the last word in on the internet. You'll spend the rest of your life banging your face into your keyboard.
 
schwaaa31

schwaaa31

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This is from the Rotorua article on Pinkbike where Needles does a course walk. Sounds like Cathro landed a paying gig.

We’ll have Cathro doing the full World Cup DH season for us (and Worlds too), and we’ll have a rotating cast doing every Crankworx DH and slopestyle as well.
 
toodles

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Not elegant, but 9point8 has got a +25mm offset forward seat post for bike companies that haven't figured out that hardtail seat angles don't work on 160mm travel bikes being ridden up hills.

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Jm_

Jm_

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toodles said:
Not elegant, but 9point8 has got a +25mm offset forward seat post for bike companies that haven't figured out that hardtail seat angles don't work on 160mm travel bikes being ridden up hills.

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i disagree, that's elegant as fuck, compared to buying an entirely new bicycle.
 
Happymtb.fr

Happymtb.fr

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toodles said:
Not elegant, but 9point8 has got a +25mm offset forward seat post for bike companies that haven't figured out that hardtail seat angles don't work on 160mm travel bikes being ridden up hills.

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Would be nice to know if it is compatible with other brands!

Changing just the saddle can help. With an Ergon sme saddle I can sit almost 2cm more forward than with a Wtb Volt.
 
Sandwich

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Happymtb.fr said:
Would be nice to know if it is compatible with other brands!

Changing just the saddle can help. With an Ergon sme saddle I can sit almost 2cm more forward than with a Wtb Volt.
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I did that. I had a fizik thar and a reversed thomson post on my evil just to make it not suck. Buying a new bike really fixed it.
 
Bikael Molton

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toodles

toodles

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Happymtb.fr said:
Would be nice to know if it is compatible with other brands!

Changing just the saddle can help. With an Ergon sme saddle I can sit almost 2cm more forward than with a Wtb Volt.
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I might see if I can try one of those Ergon saddles. I've got my Chromag/Joystick saddles installed all the way forward to the max line and still find myself wanting it further forward for climbs. A new saddle is going to be a lot cheaper than a bike with a proper seat/seatpost angle.
 
6thElement

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rpet said:
Were the Tevas as sticky as the sticky 5.10s?

I remember when Teva made a big splash in the industry, and then pulled the plug like 9 months later and were all 50% off.
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Nah, S had a pair of Tevas and she much prefers her 510s.
 
William42

William42

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Since I'm finally on the verge of moving out of the shithole known as Texas, I'm thinking of getting a Giant Reign SX 1. Its a pretty good bang for your buck bike (especially since I can EP it) which looks like a pretty sweet component package, the shitty ST is my big holdup. Looks like we have a vote for "not worth it" from Sandwich, as far as "can it be rectified by putting a forward offset seatpost with a saddle that can move far forward." Anybody else have any input on whether I should get it or skip it? Seems like a pretty rad bike, except the dogshit STA.
 
slyfink

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William42 said:
Since I'm finally on the verge of moving out of the shithole known as Texas, I'm thinking of getting a Giant Reign SX 1. Its a pretty good bang for your buck bike (especially since I can EP it) which looks like a pretty sweet component package, the shitty ST is my big holdup. Looks like we have a vote for "not worth it" from Sandwich, as far as "can it be rectified by putting a forward offset seatpost with a saddle that can move far forward." Anybody else have any input on whether I should get it or skip it? Seems like a pretty rad bike, except the dogshit STA.
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I have a buddy with a Trance Advance. Got it on pro-deal. I was really surprised he got it since he had access to "sexier" bikes with perhaps more modern geometry. But the price was too hard to pass up. He loves it. And he absolutely rails on it. I'd guess it's a really good option.

Also, Sandwich had an Evil. It had a exceptionally crappy seat angle and design. I wouldn't put the Giant's in the same category...
 
SkaredShtles

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slyfink said:
I have a buddy with a Trance Advance. Got it on pro-deal. I was really surprised he got it since he had access to "sexier" bikes with perhaps more modern geometry.
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Depending on what year the Reign in question is, the geometry of that model is "modern" in that it is long, low, and slack. And a LOT different than the Trance.

They're both generally good bang-for-the buck bikes, IMO.
 
Bikael Molton

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It's a great bang for the buck bike. My buddy has a couple year old regular Reign ( I think??) and normal type climbs around here are fine on it.

If you are super tall and/or heavy and think riding super steep technical climbs is fun, then the STA might be a major problem. Are you moving somewhere known for that type of climb? IMO many of the strongest tech climbers are doing that shit standing up anyway. :)

Also it looks the Reign is listing actual STA, while many brands list Eff STA, so apples to apples comparisons may not be straightforward.

Can you test ride a Reign around locally before you pull the trigger?

William42 said:
Since I'm finally on the verge of moving out of the shithole known as Texas, I'm thinking of getting a Giant Reign SX 1. Its a pretty good bang for your buck bike (especially since I can EP it) which looks like a pretty sweet component package, the shitty ST is my big holdup. Looks like we have a vote for "not worth it" from Sandwich, as far as "can it be rectified by putting a forward offset seatpost with a saddle that can move far forward." Anybody else have any input on whether I should get it or skip it? Seems like a pretty rad bike, except the dogshit STA.
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Flo33

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William42 said:
Since I'm finally on the verge of moving out of the shithole known as Texas, I'm thinking of getting a Giant Reign SX 1. Its a pretty good bang for your buck bike (especially since I can EP it) which looks like a pretty sweet component package, the shitty ST is my big holdup. Looks like we have a vote for "not worth it" from Sandwich, as far as "can it be rectified by putting a forward offset seatpost with a saddle that can move far forward." Anybody else have any input on whether I should get it or skip it? Seems like a pretty rad bike, except the dogshit STA.
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I ride a 2016 Reign. With a 2015 36 Float 160 mm the seat angle was not that much of a problem for me, I'm running the saddle pretty good forward but not to its max. I recently installed a Smashpot into a '19 36 170 mm Float. Due to the lower sag of the coil spring and 10 mm higher travel numbers I had to start to lean forward way more than I was really comfortable during steep climbs. So I thought about reducing the travel back to 160 mm which is an easy task with the Vorsprung kit. Easy, unless you're acting like a total hack and kill some parts rushing it... Now I'm back to my 2011 36 Van 160 for the moment and it feels way better on the climbs and not really worse on the downs.
tldr, if you do a lot of steep singletrack climbing with gradients around 20% it might be a problem, if you don't, go for it!
 
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Jm_

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Believe it or not, people were riding those kinds of bikes up hills before 2017 steep ST geometry. One of the things that helps is a decent amount of anti-squat AND a flat AS curve out to about mid or 2/3rds travel. I think this was one of the first big breakthroughs in getting these kinds of bikes up hills. Then the bike doesn't tend to bog down and tilt back as much on the climbs, allowing you to get adequate weight over the front end with long travel forks. The Reign though seems to mimic the horst-link curve, with a steel falling curve, similar to many of the modern specialized and other horst-links. Although they "copied" DW years back, they've diverged significantly in that time. With the 2016 reign curve, as long as it isn't too bumpy and the travel isn't activated much, it should do ok, especially with a trail setting/lockout type device. When it gets bumpy it'll get deeper into the travel where there isn't as much AS and tend to tilt back more, which will set up somewhat of a feed-back cycle, which may be a reason to match front and rear travel, rather than go with more on the front. An angleset should also help to slacken the front w/o slackening the ST, so that may be a better choice rather than a bunch more front travel than rear.
 
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