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toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
5,480
4,720
Australia
What's wrong with the industry?? Prices in a Canada... that's what.
Our Australian government recently changed the law to apply our sales tax to all purchases delivered from overseas (used to be exempt under $1000AUD). Add to that Shimano, SRAM and a few other companies cracking down on Chainreaction and other big shops shipping to other markets and we're back to early 1990's levels of price gouging.

A few years ago Shimano parts were 2.5 times the CRC listed price in Australia. Saint cranks were $700 recommended retail here.

On top of that, the cost of Australian import duty + the added cost of importers adding another step to the supply chain means its actually cheaper to fly overseas to buy frames and bikes, but then warranty support is nil.
 

4xBoy

Turbo Monkey
Jun 20, 2006
7,016
2,850
Minneapolis
I need about a week. But ask me about my debt…
That is a humorous part of the Merican life.

Everyone in other countries thinks we super rich, but they don't know how much you pay for everything, housing, insurance, student loans, porn.
 

dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
8,196
4,420
XX1 nomad is $12499 CDN (MSRP) ... x 1.15 (tax) ... and we're talking: $14,373 CAD.
Base nomad is $4848 CDN (MSRP) ... x 1.15 (tax) ... and we're talking: $5,575 CAD.

No thanks.
 

dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
8,196
4,420
That is a humorous part of the Merican life.

Everyone in other countries thinks we super rich, but they don't know how much you pay for everything, housing, insurance, student loans, porn.
Choices.
 

xy9ine

Turbo Monkey
Mar 22, 2004
2,940
353
vancouver eastside
. For reference, the minimum earning to avoid poverty down here is about $325 a month as of today.
crazy cheap cost of living. for comparison, the "poverty line" here in canada is deemed to be around $2k/mo. that said, the current average rental price for a 1 bed appt here in vancouver is also $2k / mo.

that said, i feel you re: the wide disparity between your earning potential & the cost of premium (fancy bike) goods there. the (dirt cheap) prices of the peruvian marino bikes exemplifies said disparity. from our perspective, it's amazing that he makes any $$.
 

mykel

closer to Periwinkle
Apr 19, 2013
5,071
3,780
sw ontario canada
What is really stupid is that you can buy Made in Canada parts out of the USA shipped back to Canada, taxes paid and it still be less than the same part bought domestically before taxes and shipping. (if required)
 
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slimshady

¡Mira, una ardilla!
that said, i feel you re: the wide disparity between your earning potential & the cost of premium (fancy bike) goods there. the (dirt cheap) prices of the peruvian marino bikes exemplifies said disparity. from our perspective, it's amazing that he makes any $$.
Top shelf Nomad: USD 9500 x 1.5 (50% import tax) x 43 ARS per dollar = 612,750 pesos, or 10 months of my net monthly income. And that's before shipping charges.

To put it in perspective, the rent of a two-bedroom apartment is about 8-10 k pesos.

EDIT: I made a mistake with regards to the minimum wage to avoid poverty down here, USD 325 is the minimum income to avoid being indigent.
 

canadmos

Cake Tease
May 29, 2011
20,197
19,160
Canaderp
What is really stupid is that you can buy Made in Canada parts out of the USA shipped back to Canada, taxes paid and it still be less than the same part bought domestically before taxes and shipping. (if required)
The tax is the worst part.

I purchased a Transition TR450 from Dunbar years ago and totally skipped out on that added 15 percent.....which is fuckin a lot.

We have it bad, but I think a few items are getting better. North Shore Billet makes good chain rings and hangers and will ship for free. Same with OneUp.

If only the few bike distributors weren't such dickbags.
 

jstuhlman

bagpipe wanker
Dec 3, 2009
16,628
12,926
Cackalacka du Nord
i’m a murican...haven’t bought a new complete bike since...ummm...2001? totally comfy with that, and i have the nomad I want (bought lightly used frame, swapped many parts). fuck buying whole new bikes.
 

mykel

closer to Periwinkle
Apr 19, 2013
5,071
3,780
sw ontario canada
The tax is the worst part.

I purchased a Transition TR450 from Dunbar years ago and totally skipped out on that added 15 percent.....which is fuckin a lot.

We have it bad, but I think a few items are getting better. North Shore Billet makes good chain rings and hangers and will ship for free. Same with OneUp.

If only the few bike distributors weren't such dickbags.
NSB - yup they make some nice stuff, including some bit harder to find things like riser blocks for direct mount stems, and one of my favorite bits of bling (especially after you somehow crack the stock plastic one) the CNC anodized front brake cable guide.

And with regard to the distributors such as those dicks at places like Lambert - ya I agree - Especially after crap like that letter they sent out lambasting RF for daring to sell a limited selection of their low line stuff direct to MEC. Fuck. Them.
 

dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
8,196
4,420
Agree on the price, but that brand isn’t really part of the bike industry... more like yuppie tech bro clothing and gear.

I think Pinbike is trolling a bit by posting that press release.
I dunno – maybe so, but I see things increasingly headed that direction.
 

xy9ine

Turbo Monkey
Mar 22, 2004
2,940
353
vancouver eastside
not to wave the dad flag too aggressively, but riding bikes / sharing my passion of mountain bicycling w/ my progeny more than makes up for the fiscal sacrifices (ie, not always rocking bleeding edge superbikes) i've had to make. so very cool. that said, i also respect other's choice not to procreate; all is good.
 

Tantrum Cycles

Turbo Monkey
Jun 29, 2016
1,143
503
not to wave the dad flag too aggressively, but riding bikes / sharing my passion of mountain bicycling w/ my progeny more than makes up for the fiscal sacrifices (ie, not always rocking bleeding edge superbikes) i've had to make. so very cool. that said, i also respect other's choice not to procreate; all is good.
And then, when the kids are grown and gone, you can start a bike company and get revenge. It would cost me a year's salary to buy a new bike, but I don't have to.
 

jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
85,573
24,193
media blackout
It’s pretty nuts how much market share Mavic has lost in the last 10 years.
yup. i also find it interesting how with certain bike companies, it's almost like a shell game of who actually owns them now. out of curiosity i looked up the company that bought mavic, no other cycling related brands. nothing even outdoor related.
 

Happymtb.fr

Turbo Monkey
Feb 9, 2016
1,907
1,252
SWE
Clementz and Dailly have been seen with unbranded carbon rims, maybe they are from Mavic? Not quite sure about that since both seems to have Sram as their main sponsors...