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norbar said:
Yeah you posted "maybe this how it happened" but can you at least base it or something not random guessing?
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This is the world wide web. Welcome! Opinions are welcome (and allowed). The year 2018 will be coming to an end. We appreciate your business. Please come back in 2019 for more "random guessing".

Isn't there a thread on here called team rumors? Norbar wants you guys to stop. You're starting rumors on the internets.
norbar said:
I claim Rude and Graves didn't dope. They were just abducted by aliens and the forbiden substances are side effects of butt probing.
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You're not starting rumors, are you?
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But maybe that's how it happened. Aliens are more believable at this point. They have millions of witnesses. These two (and maybe more) claim that they didn't even know stuff got into their bodies.

Aliens just may have done that to them.

norbar said:
Never said nothing happens. Just said that you claiming everyone dopes because of that sweet sweet enduro money is a reach. 2 guys got caught and you suddenly assume everyone is on dope.
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I find it strange that you think everyone is clean! Lol!
I can't wait till the PGA bust Woods and Mickelson for performance enhancing drugs.

I never claimed they were racing for big money. If I did, show me where. I'll give you a day to come up with that.

I said "If there's 1 it's a ride. If there's 2, it's a race.". That refers to EVERYONE. You and me too.

If you're now doing this as a professional--Ya know, where you make money doing something (like racing a bike maybe),will you get more sponsors when you finish first or last? How much do these enduro racers make? $100 a race? I don't think so. But I bet you that the top 5 make more than the bottom 5 do. Better performances WILL get you more sponsors and that leads to more money.


norbar said:
2 guys got caught and you suddenly assume everyone is on dope.
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You're correct that I assume everyone is doing it. I am, because I can. Just as you assume everyone is clean. It doesn't mean either one of us is right. This is what's referred to in the Engrish language as an "opinion".

norbar said:
btw. You are a bit incoherent because are you suggesting forums for knitting are somehow places where people call each other out and have well informed dicussions? Are you sure you're not on some rhyno pre workout and it kinda makes you trip?
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DON'T ASSUME I'M ON SOMETHING WITHOUT EVIDENCE!

Umm... I'll be back in a minute. I need to go to the bong shed. I might be on that ryhno shit given to me by the aliens (the illegal ones of course). I'm not a professional racer though.

Excuse me, I have to go check on Betty's Cross-hatch quilt.
 
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Electric_City said:
This is the world wide web. Welcome! Opinions are welcome (and allowed). The year 2018 will be coming to an end. We appreciate your business. Please come back in 2019 for more "random guessing".

Isn't there a thread on here called team rumors? Norbar wants you guys to stop. You're starting rumors on the internets.
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I find your posts entertaining but it's a simple logic - a theory based on something tangible is more probable therefore more valuable than a theory based on toilet philosophy. Also I value team rumors because it's mostly based on actual rumors (not like your theories) and if it isn't it at least follows basic rules of logic.

Of course you are free to create any silly theories you want. The thing is you seem to be missing the full definitions of "opinions are wellcome". You are entitled to write stupid shit. I am entitled to criticize you. If you're to sensitive for that maybe the internet isn't a place for you. I've heard people can be pretty mean here.
 
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Criticizing opinions, but not rumors, but maybe theories (sometimes)?

And GO!

I'll be back on Wednesday to reply. Keep them coming!
 
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That's some serious bullshit. We're supposed to buy that?

Graves taking the hit while he's out so that Rude can return to racing?

This is what an attorney who specializes in reducing penalties for doping infractions can get you, I suppose.

If there's a positive, maybe this event put the scare in some of the EWS riders who were rumored to be up to similar funny business.
 
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schwaaa31 said:
“I drank someone else’s water” Do him and Gwin have the same PR firm?
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The PB comments are a goldmine.

"Reminds me of that time I took a quick sip from a friend's water bottle and went on a steroid induced rampage where I single handedly over turned a cop car. Fortunately, the police realized that the sole reason for my actions was the quick sip of a friend's steroids that I accidentally ingested, so I just had to do 3 hours of community service."

"This is a wake up call for all these manufacturers who aren't putting enough bosses for bottle holders on their frames. Look what can happen!"
 
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I think Graves' career would have been ended by this if it weren't for his current cancer fight.

His co-conspirator Keene is done.

I cringe every time I see Rynopower posting in the comments of every single young American DH racer's Instagram.

aaronjb said:
That's some serious bullshit. We're supposed to buy that?

Graves taking the hit while he's out so that Rude can return to racing?

This is what an attorney who specializes in reducing penalties for doping infractions can get you, I suppose.

If there's a positive, maybe this event put the scare in some of the EWS riders who were rumored to be up to similar funny business.
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roflbox said:
who?
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So glad you asked:

Dave spent the bulk of the past 17 years racing professionally before realizing that despite qualifying for the random World Cup final here and there, the next generation was just way too fast and way more talented. Upon hanging up his racing boots in 2010, it would be a few years until Dave picked up a camera and started shooting the odd race here and there as a way to stay in touch with all the friends he had made over the years, and the rest as they say is history. In just a few years time his photos have graced the pages of just about every MTB magazine and major media outlet, while his commercial client list includes a who's who of the cycling industry, and he is lucky enough to shoot regularly with some of the best riders on the planet. Currently at Pinkbike, Dave shoots the Downhill WC and the Enduro World Series as well as contributing to the occasional editorial story.
 
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aaronjb said:
That's some serious bullshit. We're supposed to buy that?

Graves taking the hit while he's out so that Rude can return to racing?

This is what an attorney who specializes in reducing penalties for doping infractions can get you, I suppose.

If there's a positive, maybe this event put the scare in some of the EWS riders who were rumored to be up to similar funny business.
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As much as I want it to be Ryno Power's fault, and honestly figured it was in the beginning, this sounds plausible. Graves as much as admitted that he was still using the drink mix that had the two compounds in it, Rude and Graves are buddies so Graves hooking him up with a bottle on the climb sounds reasonable. Add to that that Ryno Power seems to sponsor everybody, and nobody else got popped. Sounds like a pretty believable series of events to me.

An 8 month retroactive ban seems reasonable to an accidental ingestion. Sounds bad to blame Graves while he's out, but if it's actually what happened, and either way they're both in trouble, why not go with the truth?
 
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aaronjb said:
So glad you asked:

Dave spent the bulk of the past 17 years racing professionally before realizing that despite qualifying for the random World Cup final here and there, the next generation was just way too fast and way more talented. Upon hanging up his racing boots in 2010, it would be a few years until Dave picked up a camera and started shooting the odd race here and there as a way to stay in touch with all the friends he had made over the years, and the rest as they say is history. In just a few years time his photos have graced the pages of just about every MTB magazine and major media outlet, while his commercial client list includes a who's who of the cycling industry, and he is lucky enough to shoot regularly with some of the best riders on the planet. Currently at Pinkbike, Dave shoots the Downhill WC and the Enduro World Series as well as contributing to the occasional editorial story.
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i remember when both Dave and Lee posted here regularly. Fraser too.
 
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maxyedor said:
As much as I want it to be Ryno Power's fault, and honestly figured it was in the beginning, this sounds plausible. Graves as much as admitted that he was still using the drink mix that had the two compounds in it, Rude and Graves are buddies so Graves hooking him up with a bottle on the climb sounds reasonable. Add to that that Ryno Power seems to sponsor everybody, and nobody else got popped. Sounds like a pretty believable series of events to me.

An 8 month retroactive ban seems reasonable to an accidental ingestion. Sounds bad to blame Graves while he's out, but if it's actually what happened, and either way they're both in trouble, why not go with the truth?
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and former teammates.
 
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Jared posted this on that page...

Ok,I'll try and clear a few things up, NO BS, just facts, hope it can help.

The supplemnet in question in this case is BPM labs "the one" which if you want to look it up. Now states Higenamine in the ingredients list, but in older versions, and in the tub in this case was listed as Nandina Domestica (fruit extract) and the oxilofrine component is still labelled as Synephrine HCL. Things get tricky when you type these ingredients into the WADA search and not a single result comes up, which tells you everything is OK. So we had to dive a bit deeper into finding out how these things got in our systems, and when we did, we found of that many ingredients have many different variations, and names, which is what has caught us out.
We also found out since learning the hard way, just how prevalent these ingredients are in off the shelf pre workout drinks, which is a bit scary when you first hand find out the consequences, and how unregulated products with these ingredients are. Even a teenager could walk in to a supplement store and buy this, no questions asked. I've also since learned that 1 in 5 off the shelf pre workout drinks (in Australia at least) have something banned in them.

Everything i've mentioned above had to be proven beyond doubt to the AFLD (french anti doping) theres no corruption, or loopholes, or lawyers spin put on it. Just facts and real consequences.

So i'll put my hand up all day long and say im guilty of negligence. MY mindset was that I'v never sought anything performance enhancing, and Ive never had an issues with the Dozens and Dozens of in and out of competition doping tests ive had, so all will be good. I git a bit too relaxed with the whole process, I never thought there was any chance I could ever be in this situation, yet here we are. A moment of Negligence yes, premeditated cheaters, hell NO!!!!

Maybe ask yourself, would you ever think you need to do extensive study and research, on every ingredient of every thing you ever put in your body?

Combine that with what I said above, and hopefully you get a clearer picture of how this very unfortunate situation has come to be.

Possibly the main reason i'm writing this is the amount of uneducated and downright false comments here. Some of you really should be a bit more careful with your wild assumptions and accusations. There are real people on the other side of this. Its obvious that many just want to be hateful and drag people down, and that's pretty sad. When road cycling and in Particular Lance Armstrongs name gets thrown in the ring, WOW, are you serious??? Consider the things iv'e mentioned, and maybe think again.

People all seem to think theres some kind of Magic pill out there, that will take them from weekend warrior to world class level podium guy. Nobody stops to think that maybe the 25+ hours a week spent training, in the gym, on the bike, not going out with your friends, 5am starts, the constant crahses, injuries and sacrifices, has a bit more to do with it. The work that goes in is simply incomprehendable to most, and it's what makes the difference. Everyone who trains and competes at that level understands that, Which I would say is the main reason no other pros have spoken up about this.

Mistakes were made, and we're both paying the biggest price for that. It's added more stress to my life, on an already extremely stressful time. So maybe take the time to consider both sides of the equation before spreading some uneducated hate, and misinformation.
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"Maybe ask yourself, would you ever think you need to do extensive study and research, on every ingredient of every thing you ever put in your body?"

Uh yeah, if I was a professional athlete then absolutely.
 
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I'm not a professional anything and when I see phrases like "pre-workout" and "recovery" I immediately think "probably less risky to just go buy some meth".

We can thank the lax regulatory environment on vitamins and supplements for this. Or, more specifically, thank Utah's congressional delegation.
 
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chris_f said:
"Maybe ask yourself, would you ever think you need to do extensive study and research, on every ingredient of every thing you ever put in your body?"

Uh yeah, if I was a professional athlete then absolutely.
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On the one hand, yes, on the other hand, nah. Graves may be a professional athlete, but he's not exactly A-rod, hell, he's not even Gwin. It's unreasonable IMHO to expect atheltes to know the specifics of every compound they ingest, these are guys who ride bikes for a living, a scientific background isn't really a prerequisite. WADA has a list, according to his statement, what he took wasn't on the list. If he were a million dollar rider like Gwin who can afford to hire somebody who actually knows WTF these compounds are, but he's not.

He's definitely dumb for taking non-certified supplements, but that's where his stupidity ends IMHO.


aaronjb said:
I'm not a professional anything and when I see phrases like "pre-workout" and "recovery" I immediately think "probably less risky to just go buy some meth".

We can thank the lax regulatory environment on vitamins and supplements for this. Or, more specifically, thank Utah's congressional delegation.
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The Utards control Aussie laws too? Damn, fucking guys have reach.
 
toodles

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chris_f said:
"Maybe ask yourself, would you ever think you need to do extensive study and research, on every ingredient of every thing you ever put in your body?"

Uh yeah, if I was a professional athlete then absolutely.
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To be fair, he did check the ingredients but apparently they have several names for that banned stuff.

Like that time a guy sold me some Molly which I later found out contains MDMA. So much confusion.


On the Vital thread, some of the other pros are not as forgiving - especially given Richie's attempts at humour about the situation seem to target the Frenchies.
 
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toodles said:
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Like that time a guy sold me some Molly which I later found out contains MDMA.
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Seriously

Every six to sixty year old knows molly is MDMA, the ecstacy, the feels, care pills, cuddle capsules, the happy tabs, the E, the X, the disco biscuits


likewise, Graves is just covering for rudie, because he's broken.


And fuck specialized. I'm surprised jared didn't say "it was that bottle that mike sinyard personally gave me before the race. He told me not to let anyone get ahold of it because it contains specific performance enhancers that I, Mike Sinyard personally put in this bottle, to win this particular race with an unfair advantage. I'm Mike Sinyard and I approve this message"
 
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toodles said:
On the Vital thread, some of the other pros are not as forgiving - especially given Richie's attempts at humour about the situation seem to target the Frenchies.
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Rude has managed to salvage his career but not before becoming a meme first... Eddie Masters delivering the comedy gold, as usual.
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