05 boxxer first impressions

mserko1 · Oct 12, 2004

looks nice!!

gschuette · Oct 13, 2004

have you ridden it? Does it get rid of that nasty compression spike? Looks nice but I am still saving for a 888.

caputo1989 · Oct 13, 2004

its a rock shox

thaflyinfatman · Oct 13, 2004

caputo1989 said:
its a rock shox

Wow, you're clearly an educated person.

RideND · Oct 13, 2004

How come SRAM is the coolest thing on the face of the earth but Rock Shox sucks so bad? Aren't they the same company? I think that they are both high quality products (if you pay for it) and perform very well.

oly · Oct 13, 2004

Great pics. Waiting for you internal view, and also a ride impression.

Quote:
Originally Posted by caputo1989
its a rock shox

Internet forums used to make me think the same thing, till i rode one. Dont be so hung up on the past. And dont rely on others to form your opinion.

Jm_ · Oct 13, 2004

RideND said:
How come SRAM is the coolest thing on the face of the earth but Rock Shox sucks so bad?

If you work in a shop, it's not. The SRAM stuff we deal with in a shop is not the X-series 99.99% of the time. We are dealing with older stuff, 3.0, 5.0, 7.0, 9.0, Gripshi*t, X-rays, and a plethora of low-end models. Basically, we are working with stuff that SRAM has made over the last 8 years or so.

The thing is, that all of this SRAM stuff made over the last decade or so is not up to par. The quality is not as good as shimano stuff, and when we get a bike that has this stuff we often have to junk the shifters, cause no matter what we will never make them work correctly because the detents have rounded out and no longer work right. Low and mid-end shimano stuff holds up a LOT better than the equivalent SRAM stuff, and the older high end SRAM stuff is just as bad as many of the low end SRAM products.

So it's good that SRAM is finally making shifters that (hopefully) don't get all sloppy in a season, derailers that last more than a few months before snapping, but what we deal with in shops is all the stuff they've made before this, and it will be a long time before this stuff is filtered out, and in the meantime, shimano simply kicks their butt all over the place as far as this is concerned.

I like a lot of the SRAM innovation, but their application of innovation was not always the best. Maybe years down the road things will be different.

RS simply sucks so bad because since about 1995, they've done nothing for MTB suspension, and simply followed the other companies by making mediocre products.

Spunger · Oct 13, 2004

I gotta say the same thing, don't knock it until you've ridden one, not in the parking lot but on a trail.

I run all marzocchi forks, mainly the shivers (single crown on FR bike, dual crown on DH bike) and love em. I played with a buddy's bike with a boxxer on it on a small local trail, and I liked it alot. I'd have to get the world cup though

I have no issues with fork brands. SRAM did at one point make some shotty stuff, but I think SRAM is one of the few companies still comming out with new stuff all the time, and to think that you have an alternitive to Shimano stuff is nice too. I use SRAM cassettes and chains because I just have em. I'd use their other drivetrain parts as well when the time comes.

Looks like a sweet boxxer. Don't some of the new boxxers have U-Turn adjustment? Like ETA? None the less I bet they give them the old factory black box upgrades etc...., so I'd slap a romic crown and stem on it and go!

ohio · Oct 13, 2004

vitox said:
brake mount:
same as all other boxxers

More than anything else regarding boxxers, this makes me angry. :mumble:

if you're designed a brand new casting, and every other fork on the market uses one of two standard mounts INCLUDING every other fork that you yourself make, why would you use a proprietary mount that you arbitrarily picked in 1997 when standards hadn't been decided on yet. Not like the $20 hayes adapter breaks the bank, but it's just a painfully easy thing to remedy that should have been but wasn't... and I feel is indicative of larger issues with RS product design.

UiUiUiUi · Oct 13, 2004

ohio said:
More than anything else regarding boxxers, this makes me angry. :mumble:

if you're designed a brand new casting, and every other fork on the market uses one of two standard mounts INCLUDING every other fork that you yourself make, why would you use a proprietary mount that you arbitrarily picked in 1997 when standards hadn't been decided on yet. Not like the $20 hayes adapter breaks the bank, but it's just a painfully easy thing to remedy that should have been but wasn't... and I feel is indicative of larger issues with RS product design.

maybe to make it easier for owner of older boxxers to convert without to much hassle, and seeing that the boxxer standard didn't hurt them in the last years why not keep it?

btw manitou is using some weird mounting "standards" on the dorado X works too.

Acadian · Oct 13, 2004

Jm_ said:
If you work in a shop, it's not. The SRAM stuff we deal with in a shop is not the X-series 99.99% of the time. We are dealing with older stuff, 3.0, 5.0, 7.0, 9.0, Gripshi*t, X-rays, and a plethora of low-end models. Basically, we are working with stuff that SRAM has made over the last 8 years or so.

The thing is, that all of this SRAM stuff made over the last decade or so is not up to par. The quality is not as good as shimano stuff, and when we get a bike that has this stuff we often have to junk the shifters, cause no matter what we will never make them work correctly because the detents have rounded out and no longer work right. Low and mid-end shimano stuff holds up a LOT better than the equivalent SRAM stuff, and the older high end SRAM stuff is just as bad as many of the low end SRAM products.

So it's good that SRAM is finally making shifters that (hopefully) don't get all sloppy in a season, derailers that last more than a few months before snapping, but what we deal with in shops is all the stuff they've made before this, and it will be a long time before this stuff is filtered out, and in the meantime, shimano simply kicks their butt all over the place as far as this is concerned.

I like a lot of the SRAM innovation, but their application of innovation was not always the best. Maybe years down the road things will be different.

RS simply sucks so bad because since about 1995, they've done nothing for MTB suspension, and simply followed the other companies by making mediocre products.

Didn't I read this on another forum :rolleyes:

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=53740&highlight=rock+shox

Oh and since when do you hate Rock Shox? I didn't know that.... :dancing:

Acadian · Oct 13, 2004

Vitox,

Thanks for the preview. I really can't wait to get my dirty hands on one!! Although I probaly need to get a bike to put in on first!! :rolleyes:

Can't wait to hear more about it...

CBJ · Oct 13, 2004

Good and informative post Vitox. It will be interesting to hear how the overall stiffness/steering of the new fork holds up against the 7" Boxxers. Dampning should be the same as nothing has change?

PS Don't buy into the Boxxer hating. I went from Shiver to Boxxer Team and it has been a perfect fork for me.

Brian HCM#1 · Oct 13, 2004

vitox said:
brake mount:
same as all other boxxers

I heard they were supposed to have changed that mount to an IS mount, apparently not this year.

narlus · Oct 13, 2004

i've used SRAM shifters (mostly ESP stuff) since '96 or so and aside from two shifters which broke at the barrel adjuster in crashes, i've never had any problems w/ them. the 9.0 series is solid, cheap, and works well.

dante · Oct 13, 2004

CBJ said:
PS Don't buy into the Boxxer hating. I went from Shiver to Boxxer Team and it has been a perfect fork for me.

Sheesh, someone actually talking about real world experience. I'm sure that your actual "opinions" will be shot down by a deluge of technical specifications like "crappy 70s era damping" by people who've never ridden the fork and only repost what other people have written. That will teach you not to actually try something and make up your own mind about it, but rather post insightful critiques such as

caputo1989 said:
its a rock shox

Use of rolling eyes combined with dripping sarcasm also works wonders for convincing people that YOU are correct as well

internet geek said:
gee, so we're stuck with the same great damping system...

Lastly, state as fact how great things are even though they haven't made it to production yet

internet geek said:
dooood, the the new Fox Forx is AWESOME!!! It kicks the crap out of the WC, I don't see why everyone doesn't have one yet!!!

So please, stop using common sense, jump on the hating bandwagon, and save us all a lot of time. :thumb:

Kornphlake · Oct 13, 2004

Or on the other hand jump on the loving bandwagon and buy a new ironhorse sunday!!!!

SpeedyObnox · Oct 13, 2004

gschuette said:
have you ridden it? Does it get rid of that nasty compression spike? Looks nice but I am still saving for a 888.

ay gschuette, DLo has a 888 in really good condition for $650 shipped in the buy sell section, u should check it out.

auntesther · Oct 13, 2004

narlus said:
i've used SRAM shifters (mostly ESP stuff) since '96 or so and aside from two shifters which broke at the barrel adjuster in crashes, i've never had any problems w/ them. the 9.0 series is solid, cheap, and works well.

I concur. I have had the same 2 sets of 9.0 ESP shifter on 2 different bikes in constant use since 1996-1997 with no problems at all. They hold their adjustments well and work great.

dhtahoe · Oct 13, 2004

People need to maintain there equipment more often. I bought into the Boxxer hating thing a few years ago. Alot of people riding them always seemed to have oil coming out of them. Then I discovered something...CHANGE YOUR DAMN OIL MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR. Get the oil levels right and they don't leak. I service quite a fe Boxxers these days, and 9 time out of 10 it didn't have the right oil level, or had not been changed in forever and a month of sundays. I you abuse equipment IT WILL FAIL!

Acadian · Oct 13, 2004

This one goes out to JM

when everything else fails....

Supa8 · Oct 13, 2004

Acadian said:
This one goes out to JM

when everything else fails....

Hahahaha. I bet people would really buy those if were a real product on the shelf at CVS!

LOOnatic · Oct 13, 2004

Acadian said:
This one goes out to JM

when everything else fails....

Speechless!

narlus · Oct 13, 2004

i laughed, i cried. two thumbs up (the arsehole)!

vincent · Oct 13, 2004

Personnaly, I think boxxer are great, even if they don't really changed.
I have a sheman slider + and don't like it a lot ; slow rebound (you take a hit and it don't even comes out for next bump even at it's fastest adjustment) , stiction (feel harsh) and not effective on small bumps are factors that I don't like about this fork. I know that most racer are'nt impressed by spv. That's why I will probably take my hand on a 2004 boxxer world cup. I tried one for 3 dh runs and it's amazing how it works, another friend of mine have a team and I think his fork is ****, if a boxxer is well adjusted, it's a nice fork.

dante · Oct 14, 2004

left coast punk · Oct 14, 2004

I thought that the new ones had wider lower legs and crowns, are the infact the same? Will my romic crown and integrated stem work on the new forks?

CBJ · Oct 14, 2004

Romic will fit look at Vitox other Boxxer thread with pictures of 04 crown on 05 boxxer.

Jm_ · Oct 14, 2004

left coast punk said:
I thought that the new ones had wider lower legs and crowns, are the infact the same?

Did you not see the picture?

ender · Oct 14, 2004

gschuette said:
have you ridden it? Does it get rid of that nasty compression spike? Looks nice but I am still saving for a 888.

The compression spike was fixed with the 04 Boxxers. Judging by Vitox's photos of the Boxxer's internals the compression hole is the right size and it's using the Blackbox rebound base valve (red aluminum and large ports) which was the cause of the spiking in the pre 04 Boxxers.

bibs · Oct 14, 2004

did they make stanchions bigger? I thought I heard they did.....

Acadian · Oct 14, 2004

ender said:
The compression spike was fixed with the 04 Boxxers. Judging by Vitox's photos of the Boxxer's internals the compression hole is the right size and it's using the Blackbox rebound base valve (red aluminum and large ports) which was the cause of the spiking in the pre 04 Boxxers.

so Frank...what bike are you getting for next year?

Monkeybidnezz · Oct 14, 2004

LOOnatic said:
Speechless!

And rolling on the groud with a belly ache from laughing...

ender · Oct 15, 2004

Acadian said:
so Frank...what bike are you getting for next year?

Word up LUC! =P Not really sure. I sure like the Foes and Intense but, I'm not sure how well they would hold up under regular abuse. I do like the Giant but, I'd like to get more rear travel. What do you think of your Turner? Maybe if the new v10 wasn't so damn ugly I'd get that. :thumb:

What about you. You're building up something new too right?

Acadian · Oct 15, 2004

ender said:
Word up LUC! =P Not really sure. I sure like the Foes and Intense but, I'm not sure how well they would hold up under regular abuse. I do like the Giant but, I'd like to get more rear travel. What do you think of your Turner? Maybe if the new v10 wasn't so damn ugly I'd get that.

What about you. You're building up something new too right?

More rear wheel travel?? why? Do you really need 10-11 inches of travel?

I did sell the DHR - still don't know what to get for next year. For the time being I'm riding my 5-spot and PX and enjoying every minute of it!! :thumb:

ender · Oct 15, 2004

Acadian said:
More rear wheel travel?? why? Do you really need 10-11 inches of travel?

I did sell the DHR - still don't know what to get for next year. For the time being I'm riding my 5-spot and PX and enjoying every minute of it!!

Actually, I do like the Orange 223. Super simple design. 9" travel. I don't think I would really want anymore than 9" travel.

Yeah, I love my new Saber. It's nice to have a 5 - 6" travel bike for all the places the dh bike can't really go.

BTW, a few of us from the Bay are going to Sandhill for the day on Sat. Don't know if you've been there or not but, it has an mt x course, ds course, and a small dh course. Really fun place to practice dirt jumping and berming.

Acadian · Oct 15, 2004

ender said:
BTW, a few of us from the Bay are going to Sandhill for the day on Sat. Don't know if you've been there or not but, it has an mt x course, ds course, and a small dh course. Really fun place to practice dirt jumping and berming.

dude...Sand Hill is my winter home away from home :thumb:

http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/news/?op=articleview&id=1742

what time are you guys going?

ender · Oct 15, 2004

Acadian said:
dude...Sand Hill is my winter home away from home
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/news/?op=articleview&id=1742

what time are you guys going?

Cool mein. I like Sand Hill too.

I'll probably get there when it opens and be there till at least 3.

Stay cool.

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