hey.. im usually a dirt jumper so ive been running like 110-130 forks and i rode my friends super t and loved it so im gettin a dual crown for my new asx.. i was wondering how the 05 stance kingpins are? because its CHEAP so its my first choice.. i mean it looks good,anyone know how it rides?
05 Stance Kingpin
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TPC damping is a winner in my books, and especially at that price.
i don't have one but the air assist should let you jack the perlaod up to a point to dj'ing
btw i also want ot get one for the same riding style
btw i also want ot get one for the same riding style
No one has any long term (hell, even short-term) riding on it as far as I know, but since the chassis is simple (and Sherman-like) and the damping is proven TPC+, the Kingpin is what I'd personally buy if I was looking for a DC fork...looks cheap and effective.
MD
MD
I dont think I'm right about this but maybe with SPV being such a huge success they could afford to sell this one at a price that doesn't have a larger profit margin, I mean back in late 03 right as the first SPV forks from Manitou came out, you could get the normal Slider for about $450 retail. I dunno, maybe I'm just making up stuff using poor logic.FlipSide said:
It's true they've been having TPC+ for like 5-6 years. My concern was more about the execution. For example, if they all come with the lowers made from ****ty aluminum and they start breaking left and right...or if they all come with too tight or too loose bushings, etc...then the deal won't be as good as it seems. Buying something cheap is nice as long as it works...but if it's cheap and it doesn't work well out of the box, I'll pass.
If they're good, then I would suggest Marzocchi to stop offering the Junior-T. They won't sell any!
If they're good, then I would suggest Marzocchi to stop offering the Junior-T. They won't sell any!
I have never liked Manitous, and my Sherman with SPV that I had last year was a piece of crap. Although it is a little more expensive you could also look at the new Boxxer Ride. Certainly an awesome idea for a fork, and probably is in a similar performance range to the Stance Kingpin.
The stanchions are steel, so that drops $$ from the price.
TPC+ is alot more simple then SPV, so that drops $$ from the price.
Made in tiawan, not Jesusland, so that drops $$ from the price.
Air assist gets rid of the springs (i think), so that drops $$ from the price.
Im sure manitou would be making the same profit margin from these forks. I would buy a kingpin over a sherman for sure, as long as the TPC+ dampning is the same as what was in the old dorados and old xvert carbons.
TPC+ is alot more simple then SPV, so that drops $$ from the price.
Made in tiawan, not Jesusland, so that drops $$ from the price.
Air assist gets rid of the springs (i think), so that drops $$ from the price.
Im sure manitou would be making the same profit margin from these forks. I would buy a kingpin over a sherman for sure, as long as the TPC+ dampning is the same as what was in the old dorados and old xvert carbons.
is there someone know if it's tpc+ cadrige will fit in a slider +
I don't know if it's from the Stance or not, but there definitely is a TPC kit for a 7" slider...this guy has one.vincent said:
I was talking to a friend about this the other day... it'd be great if the Stance and Sherman internals were interchangable, you could do all sorts of cool things swapping parts around. 7" of TPC sherman? Oh yeh...vincent said:
I don't think these things are tpc. They are fluid flow, whatever that is. I have little experiance with manotou products.
i think the air assist saves you pennies because its got to be cheaper to put a valve in there than a preload clicker and having people send break those and start calling customer service for that all the time.Cave Dweller said:
i also think like you that manitou isnt taking a cut in profit with this fork, it would be pretty dumb to offer a fork that to any extent cannibalizes demand for other more expensive forks AND that you make less margin on.
and yes the big question is certainly if the tpc+ the kingpin comes with is really the one we all know from the xverts and not some sort of tpc+sport which would pretty much suck for dh use.
thanks, that is the best thing I heard for a while , I want tpc+ so bad.MikeD said:
someone know how much it is? or if they make a kind of deal for us??
B
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"Air assist gets rid of the springs (i think), so that drops $$ from the price"
I'm 99% sure there is at least 1 spring in the king pin (like the shermans).
Having air handle all of the spring duties wouldnt work without some sort of negative spring (way too sticky). It will save money though as manitou will only need to make a couple or possibly only one spring rate.
Juding from the spec's the king pin looks like a winner (strong, plush without the gimmicks if a little heavy). My biggest concern would be that because its a cheaper fork you more likely to have to deal with manufacturing problems than with the higher end shermans.
The TPC+ in the king pin looks to be slightly more advanced than what was in the xverts. TPC+ in the king pin has one static and 2 floating pistons in its compression damping circut whereas the xverts only had a single static and single floating piston. Like the xverts you should be able to reconfigure the shimm stacks inside the TPC+ damper giving you a massive range of tuning options (4 seperate shimm stacks). Combined with the air preload this should be a seriously tunable fork. Although TPC+ is position sensitive TPC+ forks are pretty linear in the scheme of things (the air spring in a open bath fork when tuned properly is far better at resisting bottoming than a TPC+ fork). SPV solves this in the shermans and air preload solves this issue in the kingpin. Very promising product IMO.
Hey Cavedweller,
One of the differences internally between the xvert carbon and dorado is that extra floating piston in the compression circut. Did you notice when you switched out your xverts for dorados any difference in the bottoming resistance?
Just wondering how much extra compression damping that 3rd piston produces at the end of stroke.
I might pull appart my xvert once my 01' monsterT arrives and see about adding some shimms to the floating compresion piston (it should make the fork ramp up harder). I reckon if the monster is too much I'll sell it and get a king pin once its been put through its paces by the monkeys from Jesusland.
I'm 99% sure there is at least 1 spring in the king pin (like the shermans).
Having air handle all of the spring duties wouldnt work without some sort of negative spring (way too sticky). It will save money though as manitou will only need to make a couple or possibly only one spring rate.
Juding from the spec's the king pin looks like a winner (strong, plush without the gimmicks if a little heavy). My biggest concern would be that because its a cheaper fork you more likely to have to deal with manufacturing problems than with the higher end shermans.
The TPC+ in the king pin looks to be slightly more advanced than what was in the xverts. TPC+ in the king pin has one static and 2 floating pistons in its compression damping circut whereas the xverts only had a single static and single floating piston. Like the xverts you should be able to reconfigure the shimm stacks inside the TPC+ damper giving you a massive range of tuning options (4 seperate shimm stacks). Combined with the air preload this should be a seriously tunable fork. Although TPC+ is position sensitive TPC+ forks are pretty linear in the scheme of things (the air spring in a open bath fork when tuned properly is far better at resisting bottoming than a TPC+ fork). SPV solves this in the shermans and air preload solves this issue in the kingpin. Very promising product IMO.
Hey Cavedweller,
One of the differences internally between the xvert carbon and dorado is that extra floating piston in the compression circut. Did you notice when you switched out your xverts for dorados any difference in the bottoming resistance?
Just wondering how much extra compression damping that 3rd piston produces at the end of stroke.
I might pull appart my xvert once my 01' monsterT arrives and see about adding some shimms to the floating compresion piston (it should make the fork ramp up harder). I reckon if the monster is too much I'll sell it and get a king pin once its been put through its paces by the monkeys from Jesusland.
The dorado did seem to ramp up more then the xvert carbon, but that could have been becasue the xvert was flogged out and the dorado was new.
I like the sound of this fork. If it proves durable in the hands of 260pound US hackers then it would be my next fork, TPC+, cromo stachions, right way up equal three starts from me. The TPC+ in my dorado is alot better then the dampning in my 02 monster T thats for sure. If only the dorado was a little stiffer and handn't decided to crack on me
I know someone intersted in buying your flogged out xvert for spare parts by the way.
-Matt
I like the sound of this fork. If it proves durable in the hands of 260pound US hackers then it would be my next fork, TPC+, cromo stachions, right way up equal three starts from me. The TPC+ in my dorado is alot better then the dampning in my 02 monster T thats for sure. If only the dorado was a little stiffer and handn't decided to crack on me
I know someone intersted in buying your flogged out xvert for spare parts by the way.
-Matt
Oh man - that is so good. Jesusland!
So - you Aussies aren't fans of GB??
-rob in NYC (formerly SF)
So - you Aussies aren't fans of GB??
-rob in NYC (formerly SF)
Cave Dweller said:
Wait - why would anyone buy a Slider or Dorado if the Kingping is as light/cheap as it appears to be?
-rob in NYC
-rob in NYC
because poeple need to have the lastest and the greatest. really though i wonder the same thing
No fricking way! That guy is a menace to society :mumble:rpet said:
Anyway.......
People will still buy the dorados for the wank value. Also, the slider and kingpins turning circle isn't as much as the dorados, also the dorado has less unsprung mass.
from what i can tell the slider and the kingpin share the same crowns. also it looks like the kingpin shares its lower with the nixon.
i will try to confirm this tomorrow when i call answer to see it i can get one
i will try to confirm this tomorrow when i call answer to see it i can get one
It does appear so doesn't itSir_Crackien said:
So it would appear that the crowns and legs are going to be strong and that the casting *may* be the weak point. I guess time will tell.Dam manitou, all i want is a 7inch sherman with TPC+, is that to much to ask for.
What's the cost of Slider lowers? Can you just buy a replacement set to go on the Kingpin if there's a problem and still be ahead of the game?
Toby
Toby
I haven't read this altogether and I can't get a hold of my bud at Mani-chu..
Is it possible to put a Nixon lower cast (with 20mm) on a King Pin? Don't know what their dimensions are (maybe I should look more on their website tech section)...
If anyone needs some Nixon with 20mm dropout lowers and a King Pin, I have some for sale. PM me --Spamilicous!
Is it possible to put a Nixon lower cast (with 20mm) on a King Pin? Don't know what their dimensions are (maybe I should look more on their website tech section)...
If anyone needs some Nixon with 20mm dropout lowers and a King Pin, I have some for sale. PM me --Spamilicous!
hey i just called the man at manitue and he gave me the skinny on the parts. as for the crowns of both forks are the same but the shermans but the shemans are hollow forged. this means that the kingpin have MORE material in the crowns. also i found out that the lower casting on the kingpin is the same as the nixon. he also said that they have had not probles with the lowers stength
alos one last thing in the manual inline there is an error. the short crown is good for up to 175mm stack height they told me. and the large is good to something like 200mm
i need to get one of these forks!!!
alos one last thing in the manual inline there is an error. the short crown is good for up to 175mm stack height they told me. and the large is good to something like 200mm
i need to get one of these forks!!!
rpet said:
Do you know how much it costs to *actually* build these things?
About $50 worth of parts, and about $20 worth of labor each.
So, for Manitou to sell a $70 fork for $1,300 ain't a bad profit margin.
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