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12 month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a 100 years of warming!

Changleen

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Jan 9, 2004
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Check this out:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Business-farming-industry/Carbon-credits/mcat-0010-6327-.htm

I had a couple of beers the other night and 'asked the seller a question':

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3D.

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what aFukinjoke... ask them where the money went for all the ocean power plant projects we should have built by now… oops I‘m sorry, right, they don’t work
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Changleen

Paranoid Member
Jan 9, 2004
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The joke is that NZ already has about 70% of its national energy supply from renewables, one of the best ratios in the world and something to be very proud of, and yet somehow we are going to be leading the charge in paying corporations for their 'research' activities via this sort of crap.

Don't get me wrong I fully approve of renewable and other alternative and sensible power sources (nuclear included) but I refuse to be a idiot schill for such measures until they are far more verifiable and transparent.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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The Cleft of Venus
More antiglobalwarming stupidity for yet another group of idiot scientists.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html

Climate facts to warm to
Christopher Pearson | March 22, 2008
CATASTROPHIC predictions of global warming usually conjure with the notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.

Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.

Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth stillwarming?"

She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
11,003
149
The Cleft of Venus
*croak*

Link to Global Warming in Frogs’ Disappearance Is Challenged
By ANDREW C. REVKIN
NYTimes.com


In the scientific equivalent of the board game Clue, teams of biologists have been sifting spotty evidence and pointing to various culprits in the widespread vanishing of harlequin frogs.

The amphibians, of the genus Atelopus — actually toads despite their common name — once hopped in great numbers along stream banks on misty slopes from the Andes to Costa Rica. After 20 years of die-offs, they are listed as critically endangered by conservation groups and are mainly seen in zoos.

It looked as if one research team was a winner in 2006 when global warming was identified as the “trigger” in the extinctions by the authors of a much-cited paper in Nature. The researchers said they had found a clear link between unusually warm years and the vanishing of mountainside frog populations.

The “bullet,” the researchers said, appeared to be a chytrid fungus that has attacked amphibian populations in many parts of the world but thrives best in particular climate conditions.

The authors, led by J. Alan Pounds of the Monteverde Cloud Forest Preserve in Costa Rica, said, “Here we show that a recent mass extinction associated with pathogen outbreaks is tied to global warming.” The study was featured in reports last year by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Other researchers have been questioning that connection. Last year, two short responses in Nature questioned facets of the 2006 paper. In the journal, Dr. Pounds and his team said the new analyses in fact backed their view that “global warming contributes to the present amphibian crisis,” but avoided language saying it was “a key factor,” as they wrote in 2006.

Now, in the March 25 issue of PLoS Biology, another team argues that the die-offs of harlequins and some other amphibians reflect the spread and repeated introductions of the chytrid fungus. They question the analysis linking the disappearances to climate change. In interviews and e-mail exchanges, Dr. Pounds and the lead author of the new paper, Karen R. Lips of Southern Illinois University, disputed each other’s analysis. Experts who have researched the amphibian said neither group had enough evidence to nail down its case and warned that this normal tussle over scientific details should not distract from the reality that humans are clearly roiling biology in ways important and yet poorly understood.

“There is so much we still do not know!” David B. Wake, a biologist at the University of California, Berkeley, wrote in an e-mail note after reading the new paper. The origin of the fungus and the way it kills amphibians remain unknown, he said, and there are ample mysteries about why it breaks out in certain places and times and not others.

Dr. Pounds and Dr. Lips have both done important work, Dr. Wake said, adding, “I hope this does not turn into a ‘spitting contest,’ because we all have a lot to learn about amphibian declines.”

Ross A. Alford, a tropical biologist at James Cook University in Townsville, Australia, said such scientific tussles, while important, could be a distraction, particularly when considering the uncertain risks attending global warming.

“Arguing about whether we can or cannot already see the effects,” he said, “is like sitting in a house soaked in gasoline, having just dropped a lit match, and arguing about whether we can actually see the flames yet, while waiting to see if maybe it might go out on its own.”
 

syadasti

i heart mac
Apr 15, 2002
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“Arguing about whether we can or cannot already see the effects,” he said, “is like sitting in a house soaked in gasoline, having just dropped a lit match, and arguing about whether we can actually see the flames yet, while waiting to see if maybe it might go out on its own.”
If we are lucky N8 will incinerate himself while everyone else leaves the house:weee:
 

syadasti

i heart mac
Apr 15, 2002
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N8 you missed this item from today's news...

Video: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews?ch=4226724&cl=6984642&lang=en

AP said:
Western Antarctic ice chunk collapses

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer 1 hour, 42 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A chunk of Antarctic ice about seven times the size of Manhattan suddenly collapsed, putting an even greater portion of glacial ice at risk, scientists said Tuesday.

Satellite images show the runaway disintegration of a 160-square-mile chunk in western Antarctica, which started Feb. 28. It was the edge of the Wilkins ice shelf and has been there for hundreds, maybe 1,500 years.

This is the result of global warming, said British Antarctic Survey scientist David Vaughan.

Because scientists noticed satellite images within hours, they diverted satellite cameras and even flew an airplane over the ongoing collapse for rare pictures and video.

"It's an event we don't get to see very often," said Ted Scambos, lead scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo. "The cracks fill with water and slice off and topple... That gets to be a runaway situation."

While icebergs naturally break away from the mainland, collapses like this are unusual but are happening more frequently in recent decades, Vaughan said. The collapse is similar to what happens to hardened glass when it is smashed with a hammer, he said.

The rest of the Wilkins ice shelf, which is about the size of Connecticut, is holding on by a narrow beam of thin ice. Scientists worry that it too may collapse. Larger, more dramatic ice collapses occurred in 2002 and 1995.

Vaughan had predicted the Wilkins shelf would collapse about 15 years from now. The part that recently gave way makes up about 4 percent of the overall shelf, but it's an important part that can trigger further collapse.

There's still a chance the rest of the ice shelf will survive until next year because this is the end of the Antarctic summer and colder weather is setting in, Vaughan said.

Scientists said they are not concerned about a rise in sea level from the latest event, but say it's a sign of worsening global warming.

Such occurrences are "more indicative of a tipping point or trigger in the climate system," said Sarah Das, a scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute.

"These are things that are not re-forming," Das said. "So once they're gone, they're gone."

Climate in Antarctica is complicated and more isolated from the rest of the world.

Much of the continent is not warming and some parts are even cooling, Vaughan said. However, the western peninsula, which includes the Wilkins ice shelf, juts out into the ocean and is warming. This is the part of the continent where scientists are most concern about ice-melt triggering sea level rise.

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On the Net:

The National Snow and Ice Data Center: http://nsidc.org

The British Antarctic Survey: http://www.bas.ac.uk/
 

ATOMICFIREBALL

DISARMED IN A BATTLE OF WITS
May 26, 2004
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Air pollution is just plain nasty air.That is a health problem,not climate changing planet problem.

Cars & technology happens to just coinside with the "climate change" & global warming was invented to blame air pollution on the cause of global warming. Air pollution is just plain air pollution.Global warming is a hoax.You all have been brainwashed by the liberal media.

There is Climate change.Happens throughout history!
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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Air pollution is just plain nasty air.That is a health problem,not climate changing planet problem.

Cars & technology happens to just coinside with the "climate change" & global warming was invented to blame air pollution on the cause of global warming. Air pollution is just plain air pollution.Global warming is a hoax.You all have been brainwashed by the liberal media.

There is Climate change.Happens throughout history!
i see you changed your post once already, which demonstrates you're more pliable than pesky facts.
 

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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Towing the party line.
Air pollution is just plain nasty air.That is a health problem,not climate changing planet problem.

Cars & technology happens to just coinside with the "climate change" & global warming was invented to blame air pollution on the cause of global warming. Air pollution is just plain air pollution.Global warming is a hoax.You all have been brainwashed by the liberal media.

There is Climate change.Happens throughout history!
Congratulations, you are officially a moron.
 

skinny mike

Turbo Monkey
Jan 24, 2005
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global warming does exist, whether or not it is being caused by humans is what is up for debate. but for the most part evidence does show that humans definitely have played a role in it.

so for all of you so-called "weather experts" who get all of their information from the local on the 8s and fox news, you should probably get that statement into your head.

how many people here have actually taken at least one weather/climatology course in the past 5 years? judging by the majority of the replies, it appears that no one here is a meteorologist or a climatologist.
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
14,591
6
did you even read the article? this is the very crux of the GW argument: how much of it is manmade.

oh, took space weather & space physics classes 3 yrs back. does that count?

edit: sN8ked!
 

skinny mike

Turbo Monkey
Jan 24, 2005
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the arguement is whether man causes global warming or not... and whether or not man can control it.
did you even read the article? this is the very crux of the GW argument: how much of it is manmade.

oh, took space weather & space physics classes 3 yrs back. does that count?

edit: sN8ked!
i have no idea what the point of either of these posts is, especially if they are referring to me.

i just read the original article and it made my brain hurt. that guy has no ****ing clue about statistics, one year is enough to stop the planet from warming? ever heard of outliers? jesus tap dancing christ.

then again, maybe he does understand statistics. by choosing such a small sample size, he can support his argument and make it seem credible to all of the idiots out there. a sample size of 20 years is not nearly enough data for a legitimate argument, but your average retarded republican does not know that.