Lorem ipsum, not a different language but a placeholder for the actual copy.some info is in a different language and has a link to Hulu for the "warranty frames are in"
all the models look the same save for a rear fender
I've seen lots of undeads around, and everyone on them seems to be really happy with them....and really, a video that's a year and a half hold, when they were testing proto swingarms? boy, you really caught them out there....
Agreed. Nothing to stand on by posting that video. Only thing you can knock them for is "testing" at a WC event and embarrassingly getting it caught on video and being posted on the interwebz.
sorry buddy but that is just BS...Im in Whistler as well and Ive hardly seen more than 2 maybe 3 Undead TOP...There might have been a few more out there but to say lots???I dont think so.You see LOTS of Demo's lots of Operators, lots of Glory, Sesssion Aurum but Undead? No way.I cant think of a single place in the world where you'd see more of those than in Whistler . . . Undead =rare as snow leopards
sorry buddy but that is just BS...Im in Whistler as well and Ive hardly seen more than 2 maybe 3 Undead TOP...There might have been a few more out there but to say lots???I dont think so.You see LOTS of Demo's lots of Operators, lots of Glory, Sesssion Aurum but Undead? No way.I cant think of a single place in the world where you'd see more of those than in Whistler . . . Undead =rare as snow leopards
Now, ****s breaks all the time,regardless what brand it is and to say a product is crap because of a video is a bit silly.Having said that , Evil havent exactly been great at handling warranty claims in the past.Sexy bike, I bet it rides really well but no way on earth would I support that company and risk being without a bike for YEARS
Well, it's the off season, yet I've seen 6 (in person) so far. I haven't seen 6 of anything else but Demo's....sorry buddy but that is just BS...Im in Whistler as well and Ive hardly seen more than 2 maybe 3 Undead TOP...There might have been a few more out there but to say lots???I dont think so.You see LOTS of Demo's lots of Operators, lots of Glory, Sesssion Aurum but Undead? No way.I cant think of a single place in the world where you'd see more of those than in Whistler . . . Undead =rare as snow leopards
Now, ****s breaks all the time,regardless what brand it is and to say a product is crap because of a video is a bit silly.Having said that , Evil havent exactly been great at handling warranty claims in the past.Sexy bike, I bet it rides really well but no way on earth would I support that company and risk being without a bike for YEARS
awe don't go...this thread is going to go on for another year and it would feel so empty without you.
I think hadley would have a much larger market share if they advertised and/or had a reference for information. As it is, the only way you hear about them is through word of mouth. Must be enough business to keep the lathes turning as a side project, but other hub companies (hope, industry 9, king) seem to have a larger market share. People who haven't grown up in the DH world would probably avoid a company that doesn't have any sort of posted information when they go to select hubs.
not all products need a heaping serving of marketing to sell.
but we have the technology to make phone calls from one country to another
not all products need a heaping serving of marketing to sell.
but we have the technology to make phone calls from one country to another
info isn't that hard to find, sounds like you gave up way too easily. not that there's a whole lot going on with hubs in the first place.
that's the point... hadley doesn't need to cram marketing down anyone's throat to sell their hubs.
Oh shiz whats a google?
Sorry to burst your bubble but that's untrue. All products need marketing to sell. Yes you can use less marketing but that means you will sell less even with an amazing product. Also a phone number is still a marketing tool, the only difference from a website is that it is a tool from 50 years ago but I know it's cool to hate on marketing on RM so yeah hadley are even cooler because of that.
And I'm going to pay by card by phone? That's a really secure method of payment. No matter how reputable the company is I'm not doing that. Also the internet made people lazy. Aknowledge that or sell very little.but we have the technology to make phone calls from one country to another
where have you seen 6 of them?
id say the Sessions were pretty popular before Gwin was on them and as well as the Demos. i didnt see a huge spike of fanboi-ism once those two big name riders made the switch. plus its not like either of the bikes were crap before hand (the demo might not have been "wc worthy" before hand i suppose)
oh jesus, that's the stupidest reply. The bike was a early proto, EARLY. Those bikes are meant to be hurt, and it's also a bike that didnt have the inserts for the swingarm. Thanks for playing though.
I dont know if i'd go so far as to call neil a non cripple. He's mentally crippled.
y u mad bro? someone's got a chip on their shoulder here
i've provided my CC info over the phone to hadley several times. 0 issues.
Ooh I guess I should spend more of my spare time reading every piece of crap self-promotional subjective article related to MTB so I can be an e-expert industry guru like you.
Reputation is marketing; clearly Hadley disagrees with you, and they sell out ALL their hubs.
All I read and heard about Evil bikes is that they rode amazing. That people would tolerate such astounding failure and stay on board -- thats what I heard. Now I'm hearing them all say it was worth it while I, and a pile of others, drool and envy.
I am not sure I understand this viewpoint at all. Yes, they had problems, so many that it caused them to abandon their manufacturer and it pretty much ruined their brand. They still came back and did the right thing. It took a while but I believe they gave away over 100 carbon frames to make things right. They could have walked away and they didn't. That is pretty cool in my book.
I'm not mad. Sorry if I seemed off. I just think the whole anti marketing sentiment on RM is silly. It's their choice and it's not their primary business I understand that. What I found wrong in your opinion is the claim that they wouldn't sell more with marketing.
I've known people that owned a few Ellsworths back in the day with zero issues. I know hadley is a much more reputable company but it's still not a safe process. Even with all the good intentions on their side.
Its really VERY simple, they choose to not market, they choose to not have a website, yet every slightly informed rider I know knows of them and their reputation. "I really respect Hadley" - and you learned to respect them from word of mouth or personal use - which is the substance of its marketability; every brand that advertises looks for someone people like or trust to tell them that they use X product and its the best. Except here, no one is being paid to do so, and there's no designed agenda, yet here you have the same outcome. Good enough for Intense, SC, and other premier brands to have relabeled them as a house brand in the past. What is the negative impact of not marketing or providing a web presence? They sell less hubs; big deal - clearly they feel don't need/want the business.
thank you....and I'm not what to say about the fact that I have actually seen people riding these bikes. Yeah they aren't a demo, or session, or kona, or whatever the eff, but they are out there and people do really like them...sorry I don't have dates and gps coordinates of my all encounters with them to verify for you.
Exactly.
I was a big critic of Evil but now that they have come through with the warranties I have a lot respect for them. However, I will wait for another 2 years or so and see how their new stuff holds up before I move them on my 'trusted companies I am likely to buy from' list.
As blackohio said, on point indeed.
thread over
I wouldn't either. From my dealings with him he's been upfront and on-point. I needed some help, so I shot him an email, my phone rang 20 min later with Kevin on the other side. Problem solved as quickly as the carrier could deliver the package.
Next time you guys talk to your homie Kevin, tell him to update their website. BOOM. Problem solved.
