Sorry if this is old news...but it's the first time I hear of them! Primarily designed for trail bikes, but could be used for freeriding and is around 370 grams. Looks a little bit like the Avids...
2005 Hayes El Camino
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Not the prettiest things in the world, but it's good to see entirely new product coming from Hayes.
Agreed, nice to see something totally new from them.
Looks like you can adjust the lever reach without tools via that small hand screw behind the lever. Very nice, no more 2.5 mm bolts to strip, and on the trail adjustments are much much easier.
Looks like you can adjust the lever reach without tools via that small hand screw behind the lever. Very nice, no more 2.5 mm bolts to strip, and on the trail adjustments are much much easier.
wow that is cool.
That is the name of my car, I was hoping they built their own El Camino. I can settle for some disc brakes though.
That is the name of my car, I was hoping they built their own El Camino. I can settle for some disc brakes though.
ya you can ajust everything manually without any tools..Matt D said:
ska todd said:
and now, since the cat is out of the bag, is there any more info you can&want to share?
What does the thumb screw on the outside of the lever do?
I'd rather have Hopes :evil:
Nice to see they kept the 2bolt lever design. 
hmmm looks like you better not tighten them too tight to your bars..
because it looks kinda weak where the lever attach to the master cylinder(or perch whatever you want to call it)
maybe it's just the picture?...but.... I'd rather bend a lever than break a master cylinder....
because it looks kinda weak where the lever attach to the master cylinder(or perch whatever you want to call it)
maybe it's just the picture?...but.... I'd rather bend a lever than break a master cylinder....
I have not ridden the brakes yet but to the best of my understanding they have an adjustable power feature so you can tune them. They are supposed to have more power than the current generation of Hayes stoppers. The ones I fondled were pretty light and had a nice lever shape.
-ska todd
-ska todd
Why?Zark said:
Their current offerings are more than good enough for any riding I've ever done, and I've ridden some of the gnarliest, steepest, prolonged descents that I've ever heard of.
Change for the sake of change is just plain dumb IMHO.
It's too bad we, as consumers, feel the need for EVERYTHING to have to change, whether it works well or not. Manufacturers have no choice but to tweak and mold, sometimes for the worse.
That being said, I do look forward to seeing the El Camino and I think it does address the (only) one or two Hayes shortcomings - namely that damn 2.5mm screw and adjustability (though, as a Hayes user for over 5 years -I've never had trouble with this particular problem)
Agreed :devil:Brian HCM#1 said:
ViolentVolante said:
mental said:
maybe it would help if users would read the users manual before attempting to do any work on them!!
*hint!**hint!*
ViolentVolante said:
Don't you guys ever get tired of that?
But you screw one goat...Acadian said:
maybe it would help if users would read the users manual before attempting to do any work on them!!
I did get them bled correctly (after your help) and like I said, they do work well (when they work)
I hear you Luc, I should have read the manual, but it doesn't address my "good for every bike" concerns. I obviously change bike set up more often than most, but it's nice to know you can change over without having to special order parts. I've never had trouble getting a (necessary) Hayes adapter anywhere over the counter at a moments notice. Hopes haven't been that kind to me.
Before the rest of you Hope lovers beat me down, I really do like the brakes, I just find it hard to recommend any parts that:
a) Cost more
2) Aren't as reliable as the (cheaper) competition
iii) Aren't as user friendly for initial set up
d) Can't be easily swapped from bike to bike
did your brake lines come with a user manual, you sould have read itAcadian said:
maybe it would help if users would read the users manual before attempting to do any work on them!!
i dont think brian does, i keep doing it so he will give me my dog backKornphlake said:
for me their performance and modulation outweigh all of those.. I just cant deal with Hayes (on/off feeling). Yes I probably would get used to them, and if they were my only choice I would definitely ride them. But I would rather pay a tad more and use hopes.mental said:
...and that's what makes this world a wonderful place.Acadian said:
For me, brakes are either on or off (could be that's what I'm used to though)!
I do like how I can manual using the Hopes, they modulate much better than Hayes - no question.
Hope, Hayes, Canti, hand brake - I can't maual, so that's not an issue for memental said:
the lever body...especially where the lever pivots...look pretty flimsy to me.
one crash on a dh bike and its bye-bye lever.
one crash on a dh bike and its bye-bye lever.
that's why they aren't DH brakes and market them as brakes for trail bikes!GiantDHRider said:
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Do you leave them loose? Don't tighten them down all the way, so if you do wack them on something, they just spin instead of breaking. Plus you can move them however you see fit whenever you want.GiantDHRider said:
-dAn
I must say, I actually had quite a few problems with my hayes when I ran em. Of course, my set may have just been a dud. I did love how easy they were to change and totally agree with mental on this one.. If installed several sets of hope brakes and although they are amazing brakes, they do take more tweaking.
Now I run Shimano XT's, the best of both worlds IMO :love:
And Mental..
I think Ive riden with you before. Im just trying to put a name to the face. Did you used to have a red minuteman? Im Ryan, I was probally riding my old 18 inch yellow sasqutch or .243 at the time...
Now I run Shimano XT's, the best of both worlds IMO :love:
And Mental..
I think Ive riden with you before. Im just trying to put a name to the face. Did you used to have a red minuteman? Im Ryan, I was probally riding my old 18 inch yellow sasqutch or .243 at the time...
:devil: 
:love: 
holy crap, can I get those rotors seperate?! Those are pimpin!
They gonna come on next year's SGS's (or whatever you call the model that comes out in 05)?ska todd said:
Yeah, that's me. The Minuteman's been replaced by a KeeWee Progressor.Shmoe said:
Where did we ride together? You're in Calgary I assume? I'm going to be n Nelson full time beginning this weekend, if you're ever in the area, shoot me a line, we'll ride again!
yeah, interesting product... i fondled em a little at the kona euro launch a few weeks back... can t say i ll be giving up my hopes for a set tho'
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c'mon, you can tell from a picture posted online that they look flexy and have terrible pedalling characteristics.ska todd said:
dante
Hope make Postmount calippers on the Monomini and MonoM4.
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.........and in Europe (here I live) they cost less than Hayes and works better.
Is this just and IS to Postmount adaptor, or do the have postmount tabs integrated into the caliper body?Espen said:
It's integrated in the one piece body. The MMini is "equal" to the Hayes (160mm disc) The MM4 uses a 180mm disc.
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Hey Mental, gotta disagree that more power is not necessary. As long as you still have good modulation and light weight, there's no such thing as too much power in your brakes. More power means less effort, which means less fatigue and more control, especially on long descents and long days at the bike park. Just because you think you're brakes can lock up anytime doesn't mean you wouldn't benefit from more power. My $.02