[mental]

Perhaps for you, but in my neck of the woods at least Hayes are more than enough power and they don't fade on those long descents.

I believe there is such a thing as too much power, there's noithing I'd like more than to perhaps brush a branch and have it lock up my front wheel, moderation can be a good thing.

I've tried damn near every brake but the new Juicy's and none (I repeat) NONE have been as durable, reliable or fade free. You can argue all you want, but my tune ain't changing until I see them after at least 3 back to back - top to bottom runs (under an amateur rider) on Mount 7 in Golden.

If you can show me a brake that'll do that consistently, I may be convinced, till then, I'm out!

 

[OGRipper]

I'm not talking about fade but rather the amount of effort needed to stop assuming the brake performs consistently.

I've also tried just about every brake (including the juicy's) and no matter what, assuming good modulation and relatively light weight, no brake will ever have too much power. As for hitting a bush and locking your wheel, well whatever, if that's gonna happen it will happen with your hayes too.

I remember people saying v-brakes had too much power too.

I just came back from a week in Whistler and despite running four pot xt's and 8" rotors, my hands were way tired. But not as bad as two of my buddies who ride hayes and could barely hold the bars after two days. More powerful brakes would've meant less fatigue for all of us. Not sure how that riding compares to Golden but few would argue that the whistler bike park will not test your brakes.

You've got your opinion and you're entitled to it, but my tune ain't changing either.

 

[Shmoe]

Yeah, that's me. The Minuteman's been replaced by a KeeWee Progressor.

Where did we ride together? You're in Calgary I assume? I'm going to be n Nelson full time beginning this weekend, if you're ever in the area, shoot me a line, we'll ride again!

Im thinking millenium/downtown.. and im actually from Cochrane, but ride in calgary most of the time.

I imagine ill be in nelson this summer if things go well, havn't been there for 2 years Amazing place to live I imagine.

 

[TWISTED]

:devil: :love:

holy crap, can I get those rotors seperate?! Those are pimpin!

They look just like the ones on my Kawasaki KX125 that I had ten years ago.

 

[J5ive]

We dont need a more powerful dh brake. We need a stonger one with cheaper parts.

 

[dw]

It's been REAL hard keeping my trap closed about those for this long!

-ska todd

Oh my god, seriously!

Wait until you see these things guys, the El Caminos have a lot of features that are going to make life a lot easier for disc brake users. The guys at Hayes have definitely been listening. I am psyched on this product.

Dave

 

[thaflyinfatman]

Oh my god, seriously!

Wait until you see these things guys, the El Caminos have a lot of features that are going to make life a lot easier for disc brake users. The guys at Hayes have definitely been listening. I am psyched on this product.

Dave

Are they going to be specced on the 05 IH's?

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

Hayes

never be as sexy as hopes NEVER!

 

[thaflyinfatman]

Hayes

never be as sexy as hopes NEVER!

Yeah, and they'll never be as reliable or as easy to set up either... oh wait!

 

[ska todd]

Are they going to be specced on the 05 IH's?

"All signs point to yes"

Yeah, and they'll never be as reliable or as easy to set up either... oh wait!

or easy to obtain for oem use in Taiwan.

-ska todd

 

[thaflyinfatman]

"All signs point to yes"



or easy to obtain for oem use in Taiwan.

-ska todd

Madcore... on the DH bikes? Because that will may tip the scales between me either simply replacing the frame, or getting a whole new bike (unless there's some other ubermadcore goodies gonna be on one of the two)...

Or I might just be a tightarse and decide that I need to be able to do stuff other than pay off my bikes, and ride my SGS for a whole 2 years

 

[S.G.D]

those are hot.

~SGD

 

[crashing_sux]

I remember seeing those new Hayes in one of the bike mags last month. They had a blurb next to it saying that they were meant to be a do it all brake good for XC to DH and should be a few grams lighter while having adjustable power, up to 15% more power than the current models.

 

[Threepointtwo]

So, it's been a while. Has anybody had significant time on these brakes yet? If so, care to share?

 

[partsbara]

ok.. so 2 kona 2005 stab supremes arrive at work this week... both are specced to have el caminos... both bikes don t have em, instead they have mags with a carbon lever (WOW )... what does this tell you ???#$@^ is it either:
1) they can t deliver their product in a timely fashion or:
2) the product has problems...

not knocking hayes in any fashion... their brakes work, it s that simple.. pull the lever - bang, it s on... unless you are a poor bastard with hfx9s... just my 0.02c... the el camino is far from a revolutionary set or brakes...

i wouldn t trade one of my m6's for a pair of ANY hayes... keep the cr@p...

and mental, i experience(d) no fade whatsoever on my hopes (dh04 - e4 and m6s) out in france.. the DHs don t get much longer or more savage on brakes than les gets / morzine... maybe you are thinkin about the hopes of old (c2s etc) ??

partsbara

stirring the pot

 

[OneBrickShy]

My sponsor saw them out at interbike and said they were a disappointment. I will stick with my Hope Mono6ti.

 

[BikeFan84]

Yeh they suck, on exhibit, but while riding they feel alot like a Avid Juicy's......The brakes are really light, maybe even lighter than the nines with the carbon lever.

 

[BikeFan84]

Oh yeah, and I really like Hopes, not really into the Hayes, but I have a good opinion of them.

 

[Jeremy R]

not knocking hayes in any fashion... their brakes work, it s that simple.. pull the lever - bang, it s on...

I just quoted the useful part of your post.
You pretty much summed up why I use Hayes.
Some people like their brakes to work and be reliable,
and have a company present at the races you attend.
And some people like their brakes to be.....Umm.....sexy.
Ha, to me that is the funniest thing ever, when people say
but yeah........well.......... Hopes are sexier than Hayes.
Chicks are sexy, brakes stop your little bicycle.
I can picture you spodes holding up a pic of Hopes Brakes in one hand
with your fireman in the other, and beating it like it stole something. :dancing:
Its quite sad.

 

[OneBrickShy]

Guess that makes me a spode, my Hopes work incredible and feel so nice.

 

[Jeremy R]

Guess that makes me a spode, my Hopes work incredible and feel so nice.

No, it doesn't. You like your brakes because they feel great, and work well.
Nothing wrong with that.
Now if they make you tingle inside your pants, then therapy is recommended.
I did not say anything bad about Hopes. Just pointed out what I like about Hayes, in a Hayes thread.

 

[syadasti]

I've used lots of brakes and I like the Avids (mech and 7s) and Hayes (Mags and Mag Plus) the most. I have Hopes and they work but am not blown away. They are a lot of hype - even more so than the El Caminos - especially on RM...

I just picked up some Juicy 5s for my HT - I don't think all the adjustments are needed anyways plus you can't beat the price. I'll also have some El Caminos soon - can't wait to try the new brakes

 

[OGRipper]

I can picture you spodes holding up a pic of Hopes Brakes in one hand
with your fireman in the other, and beating it like it stole something. :dancing:
Its quite sad.

Hey, thanks for that image, I really needed that.


And whatever, people have got their brand loyalty for different reasons. Once you're at a certain level of performance, it's all a matter of degree anyway.

Now excuse me while I go fondle my bike (not just a picture!). :devil:

 

[partsbara]

I just quoted the useful part of your post.
You pretty much summed up why I use Hayes.
Some people like their brakes to work and be reliable,
and have a company present at the races you attend.
And some people like their brakes to be.....Umm.....sexy.
Ha, to me that is the funniest thing ever, when people say
but yeah........well.......... Hopes are sexier than Hayes.
Chicks are sexy, brakes stop your little bicycle.
I can picture you spodes holding up a pic of Hopes Brakes in one hand
with your fireman in the other, and beating it like it stole something. :dancing:
Its quite sad.

excuse me while i quote the worthless part of your quote.. THE WHOLE LOT....

i m a loser, i only use hope brakes cause they look 'sexy'...

wake up clown............... the only race you ride is in your head............

parts - hope user since you had training wheels

 

[Jeremy R]

i m a loser, i only use hope brakes cause they look 'sexy'...

Well said talking fireman.
You said you wanted to stir the pot, then you get all razzed when
I throw the pepper in.
I could care less what brakes people use. Even "sexy" ones.
So tell me, when you breathe heavily on your cnc calipers as you whisper to them through the night, does it excite you when they fog up, does it, does it?!?! Take a joke.

 

[partsbara]

Well said talking fireman.
You said you wanted to stir the pot, then you get all razzed when
I throw the pepper in.
I could care less what brakes people use. Even "sexy" ones.
So tell me, when you breathe heavily on your cnc calipers as you whisper to them through the night, does it excite you when they fog up, does it, does it?!?! Take a joke.

red rocket... u win again SEI racing...

 

[partsbara]

sorry, what i mean to say was 'go masturbate a dog'...

carry on

 

[erikkellison]

Don't buy '03 XT brakes
More for me! I'm surprised people haven't chimed in with dreams of those more as they do seem to be the best of both worlds, but hey, if y'all don't agree, sweet. That means that they'll just be easier for me to locate when I need a replacement (although I can't foresee needing one for quite some time).

 

[Jm_]

Hayes El Camino.

The latest internet tested product. Deemed 100% flexy.

 

[thaflyinfatman]

Hayes El Camino.

The latest internet tested product. Deemed 100% flexy.

Sounds like Boxxers!