[-BB-]

dw- you are my hero. You win 2005, that's it. flat out, no comparison. Now if I just had $5000 lying around, I'd have me some DW bikes in my stable. That 5 series looks perfect for my all around needs.

What kind of weight are the 5 series building up with? Assuming air fork and standard trail wheels (non-tubeless).

thanks

-Stone

Yo Stone... I'll probably be selling my Hollowpoint frame once these come out.
It is a 19in, so it should fit you.

 

[-BB-]

Don't worry...I know what the US is like. I never though you get parts for free all the time.

The fact is that If you're a Canadian resident that bought a bike part online and the part is defective, there are more chances for you to end up SOL than if you bought this part through your lbs. If you're not SOL and there's actually something to be done with your warranty claim, then you'll still have to ship the part back to the US, pay shipping, wait, try to sort out what's going with the online retailer on the phone, wait some more...how complicated is that compared to bringing back the part to the shop where you bought it?

That's the point I'm trying to make.

It isn't all that different here.
I happen to live right by a Supergo, but when I bought my Hollowpt. I didn't...
If soemthing went wrong I'd ahve to go through the same song adn dance as you.

Most IH retailers in the US won't stock the high-end bikes either.

 

[Lumpy_Gravy]

Can I have the geometry for the large size frame please?

 

[HypNoTic]

It isn't all that different here.
I happen to live right by a Supergo, but when I bought my Hollowpt. I didn't...
If soemthing went wrong I'd ahve to go through the same song adn dance as you.

Most IH retailers in the US won't stock the high-end bikes either.

The point is not about the non-stockage of higher-end bikes by LBS, its about these LBS not being able to get any IH because Sport Chek / Sport Expert have an exclusive distribution deal but dont want to order the bikes even for customer that put the cash on the table. There's a huge difference here.


@Dante : Thanks for the info. I'll let you know if we still encounter any issues with our local SportExpert here in Montreal. If it works, you may have quite a few bikes sold around here!

 

[-BB-]

The point is not about the non-stockage of higher-end bikes by LBS, its about these LBS not being able to get any IH because Sport Chek / Sport Expert have an exclusive distribution deal but dont want to order the bikes even for customer that put the cash on the table. There's a huge difference here.


@Dante : Thanks for the info. I'll let you know if we still encounter any issues with our local SportExpert here in Montreal. If it works, you may have quite a few bikes sold around here!

OK... I could see that.

 

[HypNoTic]

If Iron Horse really want to start to gain popularity in Canada, they need to open their distribution plan to all bike shops. Sport Chek and Sport Expert are general outdoor retail store, not bike shop. Just to give you an idea, no one would buy a +2000$ bike at Walmart. And mech at these general place have no clue on building high end bikes. I dont want to spend 1 day rebuilding a bike that I've just pickup at the store. Riders that know what they want are looking at specialised bike shops, not amateur generalist store.

When IH marketing team will understand that, IH will become mainstream for many freerider/downhiller in eastern canada.

Just my .02$

 

[dante]

The point is not about the non-stockage of higher-end bikes by LBS, its about these LBS not being able to get any IH because Sport Chek / Sport Expert have an exclusive distribution deal but dont want to order the bikes even for customer that put the cash on the table. There's a huge difference here.


@Dante : Thanks for the info. I'll let you know if we still encounter any issues with our local SportExpert here in Montreal. If it works, you may have quite a few bikes sold around here!

Please do. Not only do we want to hear about sitautions like that, I highly doubt that SportChek/S.E./etc would be happy to hear that one of their employees screwed up a $,$$$ order.

 

[HypNoTic]

@Dante:

First, you need to know that Sports Experts store work on franchise while SportChek is corporate.

Quick list of place i've visited today.

Sports Experts - Place Capitol
IH bikes not available. Store manager dont want to bother ordering bikes over 1000$ CDN.

Sports Experts - Anjou
Store owner answered he didnt want to sell that "no-name brand" !

Sports Expert - Rockland
Refuse to sell bikes over 1000$ canadian, but had a Giant AC2 on the floor ?!

Sports Experts - Place Dupuis (main Montreal store)
Only some models of IH are available based on Forzani (chain owner) selection. The selection of 2005 model available trough Forzani will be available in 3 weeks at their private show and 2005 Iron Horses bikes should arrive, if we are lucky, at the end of May next year!


I want an Hollowpoint MKIII Expert. The average retail cost if the 2004 model was about 1600$ US. Based on current exchange rate and with custom fee included, it would retail around 2500$ canadian + taxes.

Tartosuc want the 7POINT7. Based on specs, I assume its not a cheap bike neither.

When I tell the store managers that he just lost about 8000 workfree dollars, they almost all look like to dont really care about it.


Looks like I will have to travel 300km from Montreal to Ottawa just to order a bike.

Also, i've heard a rumor that some LBS will have IH bikes in Quebec next year. Namely, Cycles Laferte in Trois-Rivieres. Is it true ?


*** Posted on the forum because i'm not the only interested by this topic.

 

[OGRipper]

We know you're a busy guy with IH and all but how about updating your site? I can't seem to find a technical explanation of your technology and how it compares to traditional four-bar, vpp, and other designs other than some fairly vague stuff that (forgive me) sounds like marketing jargon. I think I asked you about it a while ago and you said you were working on an update...whattup wiff dat?

 

[Curb Hucker]

We know you're a busy guy with IH and all but how about updating your site? I can't seem to find a technical explanation of your technology and how it compares to traditional four-bar, vpp, and other designs other than some fairly vague stuff that (forgive me) sounds like marketing jargon. I think I asked you about it a while ago and you said you were working on an update...whattup wiff dat?

i still think DW cant say much until his patent clears. But believe me, that bike is anything but marketing jargon

 

[OGRipper]

VV, I understand about the patents, and I'm not implying that the bikes aren't any good. I haven't ridden one but from what I've seen I'm guessing they will be fantastic. The dw-link website makes some big claims yet is pretty vague on the particulars. I own two vpp bikes and am looking to add something like the 7.7 to my stable this year. I'm curious about the differences in performance and I haven't yet seen a detailed explanation. I'll keep waiting.

 

[dw]

Hey OG

Simply put, the bikes DO what a lot of other manufacturers have claimed that their bikes do for years (but dont). I am sorry, but the waiting will continue until we have closure.

You definitely shouldnt take my word for it though. When the time comes, ride the bikes side by side with another frame (set up with the correct spring rate etc... of course) and make your own determination. I am confident that you will understand the reluctance to give up info that is not needed.

Plus, Ive already explaned fully WHAT the bikes do, that should be enough for most riders. Without a serious background in suspension dynamics, it will be pretty difficult for a consumer to understand the inner workings without a VERY lengthy and in-depth explaination.

dw

 

[Curb Hucker]

stuff.

dont wait til a full explanation, its not worth the wait. Ive ridden Dave's bike and the thing just blew my mind. It does/feels how everyone wants a bike to be. If i was buying bikes (ie. no nicolai sponsorship) id be rollin' a dw-link bike. Pedals like a HT, feels fully active, yet soaks up everything

 

[LukeD]

Thanks Guard!

The 17" Sunday may be a little long for her, but there is talk about an early season release of a 15" size frame, or at least a 17" short frame. The 05 Sunday frame is really close in size to the 03 and 04 19" SGS frames.

Have a good one

Dave

awesome....been riding a 15" 222 for the past 2 years. i'm 5'11" and i was kinda skeptical about the size of that 17".....23.5"TT seems kinda long to me. then again i'm use to the 22" on the orange.

 

[dlb]

Sounds like a bike I would like to try, but the 23.5" top tube would be to long for my 5'6 1/2" frame, I like a TT around 22.5" or so, perhaps that 15" or short 17" will be right up my alley!

 

[klunky]

You say the suspension does not need to be "overdamped" does that mean the bike even using a 5th will still feel sort of lively? Im not a huge fan of the dead feeling most 5th equiped bikes give you. (yes I know they ride well I just preffer the feel of romic/fox)

 

[Guard]

Thanks Guard!

The 17" Sunday may be a little long for her, but there is talk about an early season release of a 15" size frame, or at least a 17" short frame. The 05 Sunday frame is really close in size to the 03 and 04 19" SGS frames.

Have a good one

Dave

Dave,
Thanks for the quick response. I have spoken with Bruce and he is contacting Todd to verify which size maybe available and when.

I do have another questions, will the 17" 7POINT bikes have the same length TT and/or will they be offered in a smaller size as well.

Thanks!

 

[dante]

You say the suspension does not need to be "overdamped" does that mean the bike even using a 5th will still feel sort of lively? Im not a huge fan of the dead feeling most 5th equiped bikes give you. (yes I know they ride well I just preffer the feel of romic/fox)

I'm running a 5th on one of the original prototypes and currently have only 50 psi in it. Its definitely LIVELY, can bunny-hop as easily as on my old fox-equipped bullit, perfect for jumping the waterbars at Mountain Creek. And yet it can pedal through anything, the rear wheel just stays glued to the ground. We were told Romic would be sending us a shock to test on it, but it hasn't shown up yet. Will be interesting to see how it feels compared to the low-psi, open compression 5th element.

 

[Tweek]

Dead sexy tubes on the 7Point...

 

[dante]

Dave,
Thanks for the quick response. I have spoken with Bruce and he is contacting Todd to verify which size maybe available and when.

I do have another questions, will the 17" 7POINT bikes have the same length TT and/or will they be offered in a smaller size as well.

Thanks!

The 7POINTs will come in 15", 17" and 19" sizes, and I believe that the TT is shorter on them than the DH bikes.

 

[Repack]

I think its cool that IH seems to be commited to local companies- first e13, now SIC. And their prices are still untouchable.

 

[Guard]

The 7POINTs will come in 15", 17" and 19" sizes, and I believe that the TT is shorter on them than the DH bikes.

AWESOME...I can't wait to get one

 

[OGRipper]

Thanks DW, I hear ya and am not trying to get you give up any info you need to protect. In the end, the ride is really all that matters but I'm constantly trying to learn more about the engineering side, and since I can't ride one yet all we can do is talk about them!

Guess I'll have to wait 'til the dirt demo in Vegas - will these bikes be there?

 

[MMcG]

I think its cool that IH seems to be commited to local companies- first e13, now SIC. And their prices are still untouchable.

Prices are indeed good, I just wish their network of dealers carrying their bikes was a little wider, but maybe they are taking strides to work on that, or perhaps the company has made a prudent business decision to go the Performance/Supergo route.

I think the last time I checked in this small state of CT I've got at least an hour to an hour and a half drive to get to a local bike shop that might happen to stock a couple of IH Trail/FR bikes.

Maybe this will change though.......maybe not.

Damn those Hollowpoint MK IIIs look so nice - I really like the middle one with the Pike up front. I hope a shop closer to me jumps on the IH bandwagon and decides to stock IH for 2005 - but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Lumpy_Gravy]

Im 6'6". Can anyone give me geom on the large frame please?

I am from the UK, any idea if they are going to be priced similar to the 2004 IH?

 

[ohio]

Thank You Mark!
How the hell have you been bro? Good to see you back.

Good to be back! Although life ends on Tuesday when I start my new job, so I'm just squeezing in RM time as a break from unpacking in my new place. Speaking of which, Luc, I didn't end up looking at Gavin's place, but I do need to give him a call and meet those guys now that I'm in town.

By the way, there will likely be a Cannondale DH up on the auction block as soon as those 7points make it out of the factories. I actually love the bike, but the leverage is too low and I just can't get the suspension dialed... maybe I should just gain 20 lbs!

 

[ohio]

By the way, am I the only one who LIKES the green? I think it's fackin' sweet.

I think the 7point is kind of funny looking though. Like it got left in a hot car and melted in the middle. Still... form follows function, and I can't wait to get on one.

 

[blue]

So no more SGS production? Does this mean they'll be enourmously cheep!?

*prepares to raid supergo*

 

[Jm_]

By the way, am I the only one who LIKES the green?

Yep.

 

[Bicyclist]

The green definately does look faster...

 

[Bicyclist]

I like it. And those Hayes El Caminos look so much better than the XFX 9's. Maybe now they'll be at least a little reliable.

 

[Lumpy_Gravy]

Is IH offering either a choice of the (Sunday frame only) made in Taiwan or USA? If so what are the relative prices please?

For the third time can anyone (DW or Ska Todd) give me geommetry on the large size. I will promise I will stop asking if you do

 

[KL]

Did I miss the 7 point series geometry? I scanned this thread and all I saw is the Sunday geo...

KL

 

[evilhotdog]

can someone tell me all about the 7point7 ie: geo, full spec, estimated price

 

[The Kadvang]

Question for DW/Ska Todd: I know this is very cliched, but is the Sunday a DH race bike in the vein of the Intense M3/M1 or is it 'huckable' (I promise to hit myself for saying that) more like say a SC v-10 or Demo 9. I guess what I am asking is the bike build tough enough (do you reccomend it) for roof drops, etc. I know that for one Intense reccomends the M3 as a pure race bike, with no 'freeriding' allowed. So- is the IH Sunday 'freerideable' or do you guys reccomend it as a pure race bike? I realize that racing puts tons of stress on a bike, probably comparable to that of 'super hucks/mad jibbing' but I really would like to know. I'll probably get one no matter what though. Thanks alot for your help.

 

[JTVW]

Is IH offering either a choice of the (Sunday frame only) made in Taiwan or USA? If so what are the relative prices please?

For the third time can anyone (DW or Ska Todd) give me geommetry on the large size. I will promise I will stop asking if you do

Of course you will stop asking if they do. Why would you keep asking?
DW, Ska Todd, if you are reading this, don't give him the answer until you get a better deal from this goon.

 

[klunky]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

 

[ssaddict]

Is IH offering either a choice of the (Sunday frame only) made in Taiwan or USA? If so what are the relative prices please?

For the third time can anyone (DW or Ska Todd) give me geommetry on the large size. I will promise I will stop asking if you do

I'm pretty sure the US bike frame only is just under $2200 MSRP included... E13 zero stack/FSA Carbon HS, Hugi 12x150, Thomson, Progressive 5th (black, yellow, or blue)

Sunday 19"
HA = 65.4
SA = 64.4
Eff TT = 24.6"
CS = 17.24"
BB = 13.9
(with 571mm crown to axle)

 

[rbx]

How active is the braking on those 7point bikes?

 

[Acadian]

Which IH bike is considered their MTX/DS bike?