Wouldn't the 4.5"-travel (assuming that doesn't change) SX feel kinda odd with a 66?
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I think that is gonna change, but yeah, if not, I would concur that it would feel odd.
whoa whoa whoa. my rep said they were deff. not getting rid of the bighits because so many people love them... and they have their own nichey area.
I would imagine the demo-9 will lose an inch and some pouunds...
the big hits will stay...
and a demo 6 will be the FR-all around stinky-killer.
I would imagine the demo-9 will lose an inch and some pouunds...
the big hits will stay...
and a demo 6 will be the FR-all around stinky-killer.
Awesome. Exactly what I am looking for.draco said:
I don't think it will change. If it did, it would have to be to about 6" or 7", which would be a) too much for a slalom bike and b) their 4th bike in the range of travel, along with the Enduro, BigHit, and Demo 6.The Kadvang said:
And a 6" SX would be practically the same as a BigHit.
Maybe one version has more travel? A 66 is def too much fork for a slalom bike.punkassean said:
There is no "Demo 6", the Enduro is getting 6" for '05 but since it does not utilize a sub-seat stay, it is not a "Demo" per say.draco said:
Yes the SX will be available as a complete and also as just a frame! There will also be two versions, an SX "trail" with 6" rear and a 66 fork, and there is an SX "race" with 4.2" rear and a Fox 36 fork (adjustable to as little as 4" as much as 6") The frame only SX will be the Race version with a 5th air...
The current SX is an insanely sweet bike and the new version although totally redesigned, is not really much different (travel, weight, etc), it is the regular Enduro's that are getting much improved with more travel, coil-spring options etc...
Without the crappy 24" wheel.Tully said:
I'm glad to see more travel for the Enduro, it should be pretty hot!
Enduro SX in trail and race versions is cool, gives folks some options.
And the demo 6, I'm glad to hear it is likely rumor, way redundant with Enduro's, SX's and Big Hits overlapping it in travel and purpose
D@mn, I just found this thread and read the whole thing holding my breath!
I just ordered an 04 SX frame. Glad it's not changing next year or I'd be kicking myself in the @ss. I was already planning on building it with the new fox 36er so that confirms that it won't screw the geometry to bad.
Thanks for the news!
I just ordered an 04 SX frame. Glad it's not changing next year or I'd be kicking myself in the @ss. I was already planning on building it with the new fox 36er so that confirms that it won't screw the geometry to bad.
Thanks for the news!
It is changing next year, it is a complete redesign...what I said was it is not very different in the end. ie; Although completely different as far being a new frame design, it actually is very similar spec wise in the end as far as geo. travel, weight etc...DVNT said:
i can live with that. i love the way the SX is now. Light like an Enduro / Burely like a big hit. if the spec's are the same it makes no difference to me.
i just hope they don't forget to put the specialized logo all over it
anyway, it was good to hear that the 36 and SX will be a good match
i just hope they don't forget to put the specialized logo all over it
anyway, it was good to hear that the 36 and SX will be a good match
Now that's what I'm talking about. . .son of MAX backbonepunkassean said:
You will love your SX, they are sweet bikes! I actually am a bit partial to the current bikes aesthetics, not to say the new bike is by any means bad looking, it is just that the current one is so "swoopy" and clean looking.DVNT said:i can live with that. i love the way the SX is now. Light like an Enduro / Burely like a big hit. if the spec's are the same it makes no difference to me.
i just hope they don't forget to put the specialized logo all over it
anyway, it was good to hear that the 36 and SX will be a good match
ah yes, like a '99 BigHit...well except the new bike is...gastrocnemius said:Now that's what I'm talking about. . .son of MAX backbone
-Lighter
-Pedals way better
-Has 2" more inches travel front and rear
-The seat post can be adjusted way more
-Lower CG
-Head tube won't break off
I too loved the concept of those good ole' USA made extruded FSR frames (I owned [and broke] 3 of them), these new bikes are basically everything those bikes were and soooo soooo much more!
punkassean said:
Now that they are giving the enduro more travel will it be beefed up a little more like a bighit?
Yes, it is mildly beefier, however I assume the SX models are beefier than the regular models as they have been in the past...
The Stumpjumper FSR's are gaining a bit of travel as well so they sort of fill in where the current Enduro will leave off.
The Stumpjumper FSR's are gaining a bit of travel as well so they sort of fill in where the current Enduro will leave off.
Yes, I know I'm riding a dinosaour, albeit one with 6" of travel... 
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-How much lighter?
-How much better?
-How do you know?
: I know this thread is primarily hearsay and prognostication, butpunkassean said:
-How much lighter?
-How much better?
-How do you know?
That's what I'm hoping for.punkassean said:
First of all, I'll have you know that I am the master of semi-accurate internet specualtion!
Second of all, considering these new bikes use the "tried and true" Horst link (which I am very familiar with having owned at least 10 FSR's) and 5th's to dampen them...I feel it is safe to say that they will ride/pedal better. As far as the weight, I have heard the number 32# being tossed around so considering that the original Big Hit was about 33# I feel somewhat safe saying lighter. The ability to raise and lower the seat tons is for sure better and that I can say with a certainty from a simple picture!
Second of all, considering these new bikes use the "tried and true" Horst link (which I am very familiar with having owned at least 10 FSR's) and 5th's to dampen them...I feel it is safe to say that they will ride/pedal better. As far as the weight, I have heard the number 32# being tossed around so considering that the original Big Hit was about 33# I feel somewhat safe saying lighter. The ability to raise and lower the seat tons is for sure better and that I can say with a certainty from a simple picture!
gastrocnemius said:Yes, I know I'm riding a dinosaour, albeit one with 6" of travel...
I know this thread is primarily hearsay and prognostication, but
-How much lighter?
-How much better?
-How do you know?
That's what I'm hoping for.
We can smell our own.punkassean said:
Picture? What? Where?punkassean said:
sorry not quite yet...gastrocnemius said:
All I can say is damn they look really nice
i think they are gonna jack their prices up next year. 
it only makes sense, they are reeling in their Horst Patent Licenses and the cost of Al is going up as well so those A1 frames will be a bit more for them to make. Competitition isn't really what it was... Santa Cruz can't keep up with production, Cannondale is on life support, and Trek doesn't have Horst.
it only makes sense, they are reeling in their Horst Patent Licenses and the cost of Al is going up as well so those A1 frames will be a bit more for them to make. Competitition isn't really what it was... Santa Cruz can't keep up with production, Cannondale is on life support, and Trek doesn't have Horst.
Cannondale isn't exactly on "life-support"
I just saw the Prophet yesterday and pedaled around on it...
5.5" of travel, carbon SPV lefty...25lbs (4x/DS) 24 lbs (xc)
I just saw the Prophet yesterday and pedaled around on it...
5.5" of travel, carbon SPV lefty...25lbs (4x/DS) 24 lbs (xc)
really, can't knock the quality of cannondales products but they are seriously on the ropes. The motorcross gig was a bad idea. It happens. Look how long it took Specialized to come back from the internet orders only idea. Really? That was a bad idea too!
Cool thing about Cannondale, even though they are strapped for cash, they are still sponsoring riders which says a lot about a company.
But I'll save this for another forum, or perhaps it's already been hashed to death already.
Cool thing about Cannondale, even though they are strapped for cash, they are still sponsoring riders which says a lot about a company.
But I'll save this for another forum, or perhaps it's already been hashed to death already.
What is that bike intended for? I doubt a 25 lb bike could take too much abuse, but again, I don't know if it's meant to.neversummersnow said:
The prophet 4x is a RACE BIKE. Made for racing mountain cross/dual slalom. If you stay smooth and dont case everything its fine for DJ'in too.
I too am spekicle of a 25 lbs 4x bike but then again, engineering is supposed to make things stronger and lighter...and the name suggests this is the future....i have more than enough confidence to use it as my 4x/ds race bike
I too am spekicle of a 25 lbs 4x bike but then again, engineering is supposed to make things stronger and lighter...and the name suggests this is the future....i have more than enough confidence to use it as my 4x/ds race bike
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hucker13 said:
you, my friend, have LOTS to learn about bikes.
hehe :devil:hucker13 said:
Youve def just lossed all my respect. Please refrain from dumb comments when you don't know what your talking about. The headshock was only the like 10 year ahead of its time considering it came out in 93' and feels as good as any fork today and there isnt a lighter, stiffer "functioning 80mm fork out there especially with the plushness. And as for the lefty its a brilliant idea because you get better stiffness, better tracking, and super light weight compared to a crappy flexy sid or other XC forks in the caliber. Find a flaw in either the lefty or the headshock besides the fact that u know nothing about either then get back to me please.....hucker13 said:
oh yeah BTW FSR has been around since 93' yes it may function better then a single pivot but calling FSR "new" or "innovative" is a totally lame.
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Woah, no need to get ranty. Both of you are young, have brand allegiances, and have lots of time to learn better.
Cannondale and Specialized both make some great stuff and, of course, have their rightful places in the annals of MTB history. Headshocks and Lefty's were both very progressive designs, and definitely had their merits, although they are far from the end all, be all. (there is a reason c-dale went to manitou internals.)p.s. in the future, when trying to act high and mighty, it's a good habit to try and spell at least 50% of the words in your first sentence correctly.
I have had an FSR bike and loved it. And I wasnt trying to be high and mighty. Spelling a few words wrong is different then saying "cannondale is dumb the lefty is dumb and so is the headshock" for no reason at all. I happen to own a gemini and love cannondale but to say something like that is just stupid and I had to quickly yet sloppily rant about it. That would be like me saying "FSR is a ****ty suspension design spec. is just dumb for doing that and using all those bars and links". I was also just informing that FSR is just as dated as any design such as the single pivot.endtroducing said:Woah, no need to get ranty. Both of you are young, have brand allegiances, and have lots of time to learn better.
p.s. in the future, when trying to act high and mighty, it's a good habit to try and spell at least 50% of the words in your first sentence correctly.
Don't forget the best part about a lefty - you can change a flat without removing the wheel. 
"I had to quickly yet sloppily rant..."
Tee hee, that's cute.
Market share? Whatever. I haven't owned a cannondale for years but respect their commitment to innovation and sponsorship. You don't have to like their designs to give 'em props for the role they have played (and continue to play) in developing technology, they have always been willing to take chances and that helps push things forward.
Maybe in a few years you guys will have a sense of perspective.
"I had to quickly yet sloppily rant..."
Tee hee, that's cute.
Market share? Whatever. I haven't owned a cannondale for years but respect their commitment to innovation and sponsorship. You don't have to like their designs to give 'em props for the role they have played (and continue to play) in developing technology, they have always been willing to take chances and that helps push things forward.
Maybe in a few years you guys will have a sense of perspective.
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"Well Cannondale does have a LOT of really dumb ideas, like the Lefty and the headshock. And their rear suspension design is pretty dated... FSR for me!"
You do not have a clue.
Leftys and headshocks are great forks.
Show me a 5 inch 4.5lb fork thats as stiff and plush as the new leftys.
The only fork that comes close is the maverick.
My only problem with the lefty is that I should have a 1.125 steer tube as its dual crown and the 1.5 steerer only limmits compatability.
Also did you realise that the axle path and chain growth of a bighit DH is much closer to a cannondale gemini DH than an M1. FSRs dont all have the same suspension properties. Look at a Gaint NRS it has a horst link (pivot below and in front of the rear axle) but the suspension locks under chain tension and it brake jacks (but FSRs arent supposed to do this OMFG).
Specialised own FSRs do not have a straight up and down axle path as specialised will have you believe.
I own 2 specialized bikes but I'd take a prophet 4X rig over the enduro 4X rig for sure (strong enough and as light as possible is the ticket for a race thats won or lost in the gates).
You do not have a clue.
Leftys and headshocks are great forks.
Show me a 5 inch 4.5lb fork thats as stiff and plush as the new leftys.
The only fork that comes close is the maverick.
My only problem with the lefty is that I should have a 1.125 steer tube as its dual crown and the 1.5 steerer only limmits compatability.
Also did you realise that the axle path and chain growth of a bighit DH is much closer to a cannondale gemini DH than an M1. FSRs dont all have the same suspension properties. Look at a Gaint NRS it has a horst link (pivot below and in front of the rear axle) but the suspension locks under chain tension and it brake jacks (but FSRs arent supposed to do this OMFG).
Specialised own FSRs do not have a straight up and down axle path as specialised will have you believe.
I own 2 specialized bikes but I'd take a prophet 4X rig over the enduro 4X rig for sure (strong enough and as light as possible is the ticket for a race thats won or lost in the gates).
I am personally a fan of Cannondale's bikes in general. I think the Lefty is awesome, and I'm seriously interested in a Prophet when they come out. I've grown pretty fond of single pivots since I got my AS-X.
Amen! And there is NO way that a Lefty is stiffer going around a right hand corner than a conventional fork. And a Marzocchi MX Pro or Marathon S is plusher at a similar weight. Even though the Lefty might feel great at first, things are all downhill from there. Take Manipoo for example. There is no initial stiction when the fork is new, but it just builds up. A Marzocchi might take a while to break in, but it will never start feeling worse. (Unless, of course, you neglect to add oil in periodically.) And the Headshock is just dumb. There's no argument for that one. There is NO rebound dampening. Specialized is WAY better in terms of quality and price.DVNT said:Oh well, it doesn't matter.
We all know Specialized makes way better bikes than Cannondale.