2005 Specialized

punkassean · Jul 29, 2004

bighitfsr said:
Show me a 5 inch 4.5lb fork thats as stiff and plush as the new leftys.

lighter...stiffer...plusher...

CBJ · Jul 29, 2004

hucker13 said:
Amen! And there is NO way that a Lefty is stiffer going around a right hand corner than a conventional fork. And a Marzocchi MX Pro or Marathon S is plusher at a similar weight. Even though the Lefty might feel great at first, things are all downhill from there. Take Manipoo for example. There is no initial stiction when the fork is new, but it just builds up. A Marzocchi might take a while to break in, but it will never start feeling worse. (Unless, of course, you neglect to add oil in periodically.) And the Headshock is just dumb. There's no argument for that one. There is NO rebound dampening. Specialized is WAY better in terms of quality and price.

Thank you for the great info I will from now on never buy anything but Specialized and Marzocchi. Any advice on what coponents to run?

punkassean · Jul 29, 2004

now now boys, is mommy gonna have to whip out the wooden spoon?

Curb Hucker · Jul 29, 2004

hucker13 said:
Amen! And there is NO way that a Lefty is stiffer going around a right hand corner than a conventional fork. And a Marzocchi MX Pro or Marathon S is plusher at a similar weight. Even though the Lefty might feel great at first, things are all downhill from there. Take Manipoo for example. There is no initial stiction when the fork is new, but it just builds up. A Marzocchi might take a while to break in, but it will never start feeling worse. (Unless, of course, you neglect to add oil in periodically.) And the Headshock is just dumb. There's no argument for that one. There is NO rebound dampening. Specialized is WAY better in terms of quality and price.

you get dumber by the minute

dante · Jul 29, 2004

ViolentVolante said:
you get dumber by the minute

It's ok, cut him some slack, he probably doesn't know what "needle bearings" are or what they do in a lefty... :eek:

Curb Hucker · Jul 29, 2004

dante said:
It's ok, cut him some slack, he probably doesn't know what "needle bearings" are or what they do in a lefty...

needle bearings cause the flex, right?

punkassean · Jul 29, 2004

Damnit son, don't make me pull this car over!!!

Zark · Jul 29, 2004

hucker13 said:
In fact, there is no way a Lefty is stiffer, period. :nuts:

Hucker. Dude, you gotta chill out. You are a little fry here, there are folks on this site that have been riding bikes longer than you have been alive.

You can have an opinion, but trying to convince others that yours is right is useless ultimately. It just doesn't matter. Let Cannondale riders ride whatever crap single pivot with a lefty if they want, get a chuckle out of it if you like.

So in summary, quit acting like a nitwit, you are making my hometown look bad.

dante · Jul 29, 2004

ViolentVolante said:
needle bearings cause the flex, right?

nope, it just LOOKS flexy. I mean, there's no way that a "fork" with only one arm can be stiffer than one with TWO arms. Two is more than one, so any normal fork is better than any one-armed fork. Duh. Now don't you feel STOOPID??? :nuts:

:stupid:

endtroducing · Jul 29, 2004

hucker13 said:
Whatever, you ride your Lefty-equipped Cannondale, and I'll ride my FSR with a Zoch. And I'll get my kicks out of it.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh.

:dead:

Tully · Jul 29, 2004

Curb Hucker · Jul 29, 2004

hucker13 said:
So does anyone have any more information on the 2005 Specialized line? By the way, the new '05 Hardrock Comp comes with Avid disc brakes.

this is some hush hush info but ill tell it anyways,

all specializeds for 05 will be single pivots, have leftys, come in rootbeer only, and wont be good for freeriding, please dont tell anyone i let this out

Damn True · Jul 30, 2004

ViolentVolante said:
this is some hush hush info but ill tell it anyways,

all specializeds for 05 will be single pivots, have leftys, come in rootbeer only, and wont be good for freeriding, please dont tell anyone i let this out

Where did you get this inside info?
We need to track down the squealer and have him tarred and feathered.

punkassean · Jul 30, 2004

I heard specialized had to go back to single pivots because after their lease on the patent expired it automatically reverted back to the original owner. Horst Leitner himself is planning to come out with a whole new line of AMP Research bikes for 2005 now that he once again controls the patents....I heard from a very reliable inside source that they will be really flexy, just like the old ones were...

Zark · Jul 30, 2004

punkassean said:
I heard specialized had to go back to single pivots because after their lease on the patent expired it automatically reverted back to the original owner. Horst Leitner himself is planning to come out with a whole new line of AMP Research bikes for 2005 now that he once again controls the patents....I heard from a very reliable inside source that they will be really flexy, just like the old ones were...

<snicker> The horror!

HRDTLBRO · Jul 30, 2004

Gotta R3SP3CT the Amp B4. No rear seatstay flex and ultra low maintenance rissie rear shock.

punkassean · Jul 30, 2004

Damn True said:
Where did you get this inside info?
We need to track down the squealer and have him tarred and feathered.

Damn True,

While up in Whistler I met a dude named Sonny who bought a RM Slayer from you guys. We'll I thought you should now that he is a right on dude! He found Sanjays wallet up on No Joke. After looking for Sanjay to no avail, he turned it in to the Police. Well the cops had no way to find Sanjay but luckily Sonny overheard my friends and I talking about Sanjay's mad skills over lunch at the GLC and Sonny piped in about the wallet. We told Sanjay, he picked it up and everything was still there including $70! So anyway next time Sonny comes in to the shop, let him now that he has some good karma coming and word of good deeds travels!

-Sean

punkassean · Jul 30, 2004

HRDTLBRO said:
Gotta R3SP3CT the Amp B4. No rear seatstay flex and ultra low maintenance rissie rear shock.

wait 'till you see the 2005 B-series bike...oh yeah baby! It is rumored to have the new Risse shock code-named "Uranus" and since seatstay flex was such an issue in past models, they just removed the entire seatstay assy which also saves a lot of weight! I can't wait to get one...it will be the best bike ever, hands down!!!

Zark · Jul 30, 2004

punkassean said:
the new Risse shock code-named "Uranus"....

Ohh damn I needed a laugh!

Speaking of laughs, Hucker13 should be getting out of middle school any minute now

Time to hear another quality 'dale bash fest?

neaky:

punkassean · Jul 30, 2004

yeah you know, in keeping with their planet named shocks...

damn Santa Cruz fog...makes me miss those long days at the but-fly...

Noah, you going to be at the cruiser ride? I'm coming down!

Zark · Jul 30, 2004

punkassean said:
Noah, you going to be at the cruiser ride? I'm coming down!

<Hijack>
Yeah, I'm up for it!
When is it? I've always wanted to, but never know when/where to meet.
PM me the details and I'll bring the beer and 'stuff'

KleinMp99 · Jul 30, 2004

Within the next couple weeks, the specialized dealers will all be at their gathering in california to look at the 2005 products. I am sure a few pictures will pop up like they did last year :thumb:

wogdog · Aug 7, 2004

Pic posted of 2005 Enduro here....
link

Credit to Ralu on MTB Review. :thumb:

SebringMGB · Aug 9, 2004

hucker13 said:
At least I like Rootbeer.

Nitromike · Aug 9, 2004

hucker13 said:
So does anyone have any more information on the 2005 Specialized line? By the way, the new '05 Hardrock Comp comes with Avid disc brakes.

Hardrock Pro, the Comp info hasn't been released yet. We just got a few Pro's in this week

math2014 · Aug 19, 2004

Kenji@Cyclepath said:
Well, I have the new 05 Specialized Cataloge in hand with all the 05 model bikes and specs. So if you want to know anything about any of the bikes just let me know.
Kenji

so whats the price of the demo8 frameset?

gastro · Aug 19, 2004

MSRP on the SX Trail?

(I found another pic of this bike...if someone can host, please pm me your email)

Rip · Aug 19, 2004

bighitfsr said:
"Well Cannondale does have a LOT of really dumb ideas, like the Lefty and the headshock. And their rear suspension design is pretty dated... FSR for me!"

You do not have a clue.
Leftys and headshocks are great forks.
Show me a 5 inch 4.5lb fork thats as stiff and plush as the new leftys.
The only fork that comes close is the maverick.
My only problem with the lefty is that I should have a 1.125 steer tube as its dual crown and the 1.5 steerer only limmits compatability.

Also did you realise that the axle path and chain growth of a bighit DH is much closer to a cannondale gemini DH than an M1. FSRs dont all have the same suspension properties. Look at a Gaint NRS it has a horst link (pivot below and in front of the rear axle) but the suspension locks under chain tension and it brake jacks (but FSRs arent supposed to do this OMFG).
Specialised own FSRs do not have a straight up and down axle path as specialised will have you believe.

I own 2 specialized bikes but I'd take a prophet 4X rig over the enduro 4X rig for sure (strong enough and as light as possible is the ticket for a race thats won or lost in the gates).

Is it me or do I smell alot of fallacies in the message I quoted?

Lefty has one fork leg, is in an inverted design, it's going to be a wet noodle unless you weigh in at 90 pounds. I haven't seen a cannondale yet that is well thought out.

Zark · Aug 19, 2004

Rip said:
Lefty has one fork leg, is in an inverted design, it's going to be a wet noodle unless you weigh in at 90 pounds. I haven't seen a cannondale yet that is well thought out.

Squared off steel stanchion running a rediculous number of high-load needle bearings. Believe me, its plenty stiff.

I don't even like cannondale and I can't deny that those forks are pretty awesome. Freaky looking, but awesome.

Rip · Aug 19, 2004

Zark said:
Squared off steel stanchion running a rediculous number of high-load needle bearings. Believe me, its plenty stiff.

I don't even like cannondale and I can't deny that those forks are pretty awesome. Freaky looking, but awesome.

Hmm learn something new every day.

ilfreerider · Aug 19, 2004

with all do respect to cannodale and the lefty , lets get back to the things that realy matter - demo line up !!!
it looks like the "pro's" are the upper models , on both 9 and 8 , as opposed to last year. there are 2 d8 models and 2 d9 models.

demo 8 pro with fox dh 40 , demo 9 pro with 888 , reg d9 and sx trail (amazing):

Tully · Aug 19, 2004

Rip said:
Is it me or do I smell alot of fallacies in the message I quoted?

Lefty has one fork leg, is in an inverted design, it's going to be a wet noodle unless you weigh in at 90 pounds. I haven't seen a cannondale yet that is well thought out.

Ride one, then decide. And please avoid any comments along the lines of "it looks flexy."

thmandan22 · Sep 1, 2004

How is the 2005 specialized hardrock sport disc lookin

Zark · Sep 1, 2004

hucker13 said:
Well the Giant NRS has brake jack BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN FSR. There is a horst link, but it lacks the additional pivots of the FSR design. And a BigHit has zero chain growth, where as on a Bullit, you can watch the Rear mech swing as the chain effectively grows.

We are all stupider for having read this.

Can you count? How many pivots on an Enduro? now how many on an NRS?
Wow, the same!

You are right, NRS's do brake jack from the GEOMETRY of the suspension

Big hits do have chain growth, as so most all FSR bikes, but it is very limited compared to a Bullit.

Go back to school grom :mumble:

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