2009 EVIL Revolt: T-minus 10... 9... 8...
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It wasn't gibberish. He asked a simple question about the potentially erratic behaviour of the rear end leading to a 'bucking' feeling more than one rider over here has reported. Not a personal dig at you, your purchase, Dave Weagle, Evil or otherwise
it is gibberish when it comes from someone who has never ridden the bike, and is going by things heard second/third hand.
It was bound to happen unfortunately. It's unbelievable how many people will post on the internet to try and stir things up.
I heard that the revolt was made out of depleted uranium from the cold war era and now everyone who rides a revolt will be so full of cancer that it will kill the entire human population.
I wouldn't have made my post if he had said that he was having the issues himself and asked for a simple opinion, but to come out again and again, (not just him) and give the usual, "I heard that guys were having problems with..." is just stupid and should be squashed at the earliest possible convenience.
Knock it off and enjoy the product that is out there. If you don't have it and you are jealous, save up and buy one.
Evil and all of its employees are great people and have been in the industry longer than you have been riding. Sure there will be a few problems here and there but get ahold of them, it isn't that hard, three of them are on this forum, and hear it straight from them or wait one day for them to come out with an update to a problem or an upgrade to something that has yet to happen. They all care more than most companies and will treat us as customers and friends the right way, every time.
Here is a picture of Todd, one of Evils top guy's racing the Pro GRT, having a great time on the revolt.
I have also taken a run with DW at Diablo. These guys know what they are doing and are out riding the product all the time.
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If set-up correctly the only "buck" you'll get is riding buck-wild! I'll say from having ridden my bike all day y-day fast and loose style at Diablo, never once did I feel myself getting anything I would describe as bucked.
Here's the set-up guide again. Feel free to propogate this around the internets.
-ska todd
Here's the set-up guide again. Feel free to propogate this around the internets.
-ska todd
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Both frames are amazing. If I didn't like the Yeti 303R so much I would have picked up either of those.
thats what i was figuring, but when i realized how tight it was when i tried, i didnt feel like it off.
there are just bushings in there instead of bearings right? if i take it off, are they going to drop down and are they a pain to put back in place?
i have encountered this phantom "bucking" but it was when someone fiddled with my blue knob. some call it "rebound"
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It's a starting point. Any rider who is taking their life in their own hands on a DH bike is best advised to have AT LEAST a clue how to set up rebound. I mean, really, this isn't that tough. You have to agree with me, right?
For those who feel that setting up rebound damping is too daunting of a task, I suggest a simpler sport like Bocce or Croquet..
Also, RE: rebound damping and the Revolt, the dual progressive leverage rate increases damping at the end of the travel on both the compression and rebound strokes. If ANYTHING, the Revolt would have MORE rebound damping end travel than less. Simple physics translated to increased speed and control on the trail.
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never let strangers fiddle your knob. Or do let them, if you're into that.
i can thank Buffalo Mike for fiddlin with my knobs. its got a fine line of adjustment IMO. one or two clicks of rebound make a big difference
i will attempt to have fun at Diablow right now after a horrible day of traveling yesterday
That sounds similar to what we call the "cowboy"...You have to be prepared for the consequences when you play games like that.
Stupid debt. I want one!
Anybody riding an XL and leave your garage unlocked? (j/k.......
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Anybody riding an XL and leave your garage unlocked? (j/k.......
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How bout a side veiw of that Ram
Dave, perhaps the fact that there is a difference in damping at the end and start of the stroke in terms of rebound, could be the issue that as arisen in the UK? i dont know, but if there is a change from heavier damping to lighter damping it could make sense.
I think you're right, somebody must have forgotten to convert the oil weight to metric units when it was shipped across the pond. If the bikes had been shipped factory direct maybe this wouldn't have ever come up?
I am going to put this as simply as possible:
The "issue" does not exist, nor could it exist. It's a physical impossibility invented by someone with too little riding time and too much time to type and gripe. Forget about it and go for a ride!
The new 2010 Evil Revolt UK only model with vastly improved buckability:
Dude, posting prototypes is not cool! Todd is gonna be soooo pissed.The new 2010 Evil Revolt UK only model with vastly improved buckability:
Yeah alright guys, i posted asking about an issue that has clearly arisen several times from riders, i didnt expect to be shut down, and practically spat on by people who dont even ride revolts, and even worse, the man who designed the delta system who doesnt even care for hearing issues that may have arisen. you cant just say "it doesnt exist", the issue clearly does exist, otherwise it wouldnt have happened, i understand your all very proud of your frame, and ill go with that as it is a fantastic piece of kit, but to just disregard a possible issue like that just isnt good enough is it.
Videos, pics, input from the actual rider, conditions, shock set up, track, etc.
Give us all of these and have the riders that have been experiencing these problems post on this thread and recommendations and suggestions will be presented.
To throw out the usual internet BS, hearsay and be a troll is very annoying and is getting very old to both the ones not riding the frame and the owner, riders, friends, etc of the companies.
I am pretty sure that DW is so fed up with hearing this all the time about his suspension designs that maybe he is a little snappy and I don't blame him.
Look im no newcomer to all this internet hearsay crap, i ride a Session 88, its practically worthless due to "0MG DEEENTZ" or "yeah they all snap", i stated some riders in the UK had experienced bucking issues, and could DW possibly have an explanation without insulting these riders intelligence, which i got the reply that it was impossible for the system to not work properly etc etc etc, apart from this id like to make it clear i think they are amazing frames, other than this small issue ive heard that they are amazing rides, and id love to one day ride one, but if i ask a question and get answered in a childish and snappy manner, it doesnt exactly reflect well.
@Muttely
I think I gave you a fairly straightforward response on the last page. Have you ridden the bike and had this happen to you? Did you talk to someone who is riding the bike that it has happened to? Can you give us a link to the forum where it was posted that this is happening?
I think what some of the others have taken offense to is the idea that "I heard this frame bucks people and is dangerous, the internet says so..." Is it a matter that adjusting the rebound to be slow enough to stop the buck also renders the rear end unresponsive? If not then I don't understand why the issue is with the bike and not with the rider and his ability to adjust rebound. You haven't really given us the whole story, just a statement of what you've heard.
I also don't understand why the issue is with just bikes in the UK unless the distributor is fiddling with the damper adjustments and nobody is bothering to set them to the suggested baseline before riding and fine tuning. Maybe it's one guy with a blown shock that has been sharing his bike?
I think I gave you a fairly straightforward response on the last page. Have you ridden the bike and had this happen to you? Did you talk to someone who is riding the bike that it has happened to? Can you give us a link to the forum where it was posted that this is happening?
I think what some of the others have taken offense to is the idea that "I heard this frame bucks people and is dangerous, the internet says so..." Is it a matter that adjusting the rebound to be slow enough to stop the buck also renders the rear end unresponsive? If not then I don't understand why the issue is with the bike and not with the rider and his ability to adjust rebound. You haven't really given us the whole story, just a statement of what you've heard.
I also don't understand why the issue is with just bikes in the UK unless the distributor is fiddling with the damper adjustments and nobody is bothering to set them to the suggested baseline before riding and fine tuning. Maybe it's one guy with a blown shock that has been sharing his bike?
Oops, I was slow to respond and then distracted by work and you and RUFUS both got in another post since I started typing.
Holy run on sentence batman!
No one is/was uinsulting you; and if so - as noted by you, its the internet, dont take it personal.
FACT: You are speaking from layers of hearsay
FACT: No one else is making this claim, US or UK, just your hearsay.
FACT: You are talking down criticism from people who 'dont even ride revolts' which apparently includes you, the OP.
When you make a random, unsubstantiated claim in any venue, expect to be knocked down. If you have some facts, testimonials from owners of the part in question, or anything but the aforementioned random and unsubstantiated claim - present it, until then it is a load of crap.
Having been known for doing so in the past myself (just so you dont get all fussy and feel like you're being picked on), I recommend not talking out of your a**; coversations are more effective when you know what you're speaking about, and actually have experience with the subject.
FACT: You are speaking from layers of hearsay
FACT: No one else is making this claim, US or UK, just your hearsay.
FACT: You are talking down criticism from people who 'dont even ride revolts' which apparently includes you, the OP.
When you make a random, unsubstantiated claim in any venue, expect to be knocked down. If you have some facts, testimonials from owners of the part in question, or anything but the aforementioned random and unsubstantiated claim - present it, until then it is a load of crap.
Having been known for doing so in the past myself (just so you dont get all fussy and feel like you're being picked on), I recommend not talking out of your a**; coversations are more effective when you know what you're speaking about, and actually have experience with the subject.
My punctuations skills dont keep up.
Sure thing, ill look into the issue more, and squeeze some info out of some people, luckily here in the UK Internet hearsay is usually alot more accurate, mainly due to the fact you can go to a race and meet half the people who ride in the UK, so im sure the full story will be available soon.
Sure thing, ill look into the issue more, and squeeze some info out of some people, luckily here in the UK Internet hearsay is usually alot more accurate, mainly due to the fact you can go to a race and meet half the people who ride in the UK, so im sure the full story will be available soon.
Internet hearsay must have come with a link right? Do share please.
Huck, when did you start taking smart pills. Many of your posts lately have been coherent and well-written, and I don't like it one damn bit.
A discussion moving towards the 'bucking issue' oh and rumours of cracking too -
http://www.southerndownhill.com/forum/index.php/topic,204987.0.html
Not sure if this is the original thread or not though (i havnt and wont comment on this or that thread as i know sweet nothing about the revolt apart from it looks like a very well packaged & applied design)
http://www.southerndownhill.com/forum/index.php/topic,204987.0.html
Not sure if this is the original thread or not though (i havnt and wont comment on this or that thread as i know sweet nothing about the revolt apart from it looks like a very well packaged & applied design)
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There is absolutely no relevant info in those posts either and now he is just crying over spilled milk on another forum.
Just get some facts out and we can rationally discuss it.
Doing a full search on ridemonkey, bustedspoke, nsmb, pinkbike, farkin, dirt, vitalmtb, nsmb, and multiple other top forums and the only mention of bucking problems are on ridemonkey and southerndownhill.
Please let us know where this internet hype is?
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Original thread: http://www.southerndownhill.com/forum/index.php/topic,204466.0.html
Rumours of a MBR test rider "getting rid asap" & plenty of cracking and 'bucking' discussion........
Dont shoot the messanger, im not getting involved in any way in this as i have no facts at all to add....
Rumours of a MBR test rider "getting rid asap" & plenty of cracking and 'bucking' discussion........
Dont shoot the messanger, im not getting involved in any way in this as i have no facts at all to add....
Just as a matter of interest, one poster on that thread by the name of Tom Bigmac(on page 2) says that he was talking to one of the guys who had a cracked frame as the guy was getting it warrantied at the evil tent. Well, thats how i read it. (i haven't finished reading the thread yet though)
My point is, if these guys that have had problems are taking the frames back to evil for warranty, then Dave and the other evil guys must know about it. If i was to go on the responses on this thread by D.W. then he clearly does not consider it to be a major problem. And if he ain't worried then i don't se why anyone else should be.
P.S. I would love if everyone in the uk started hating the revolts and wanted to sell them. i could get me a top class downhill frame cheap