To be clear, that is not what I am saying. Just curious about the numbers as I would be if they say, gave the Trance a 65 degree head angle and an 11" BB height.
I was disappointed to see the geo numbers on this frame and some of the mixed rider reviews at Whistler. But I will still buy the frame set because I can get a great deal on one. I would also like to ride a different rear suspension design than FSR and see the comparison and differences. There seems to be more positive ride reviews than negative so far. I am not worried you can't go fast on that thing.
Its a shame that so many on here can't see past thier own inbred little bubbles and sees the big picture.
Not every DH bike on the market is going to be built to cater to the hundreds of talk-alot wanna be pro e-racers and their own self claimed perfect geo. I know this is a hard thing to beleive but first, bike companies know more then you and second, they are in this to make money.
So you know what the giant is going to be? HUGELY SUCCESSFUL. It caters to the THOUSANDS of amateur riders and racers that don't spend all thier time whining and second guessing the bike companies, and instead want a bike that suits where they ride, and how they ride. What good is a 63 degree head angle to a guy thats in sport class, or even better just rides FOR FUN. The 65.5 is slack enough that those kinds of riders will be able to ride the bike comfortably, and its slack enough so that fast guys are comfy too. If you don't like the angles, **** OFF and go buy the flavor of the week with the 61 HA and the 7.5" bb.
Meanwhile, Giant will sell thousands of these things, and they will once again be one of the most popular DH bikes on the scene, offering excellent performance and kickass value in a complete bike.
The best part will be the guys on the Giants finishing in the exact same spot as the dood mouthing off online on his 10k intense/ turner/ v10/ evil/ whatever.
The internet is awesome.
Not every DH bike on the market is going to be built to cater to the hundreds of talk-alot wanna be pro e-racers and their own self claimed perfect geo. I know this is a hard thing to beleive but first, bike companies know more then you and second, they are in this to make money.
So you know what the giant is going to be? HUGELY SUCCESSFUL. It caters to the THOUSANDS of amateur riders and racers that don't spend all thier time whining and second guessing the bike companies, and instead want a bike that suits where they ride, and how they ride. What good is a 63 degree head angle to a guy thats in sport class, or even better just rides FOR FUN. The 65.5 is slack enough that those kinds of riders will be able to ride the bike comfortably, and its slack enough so that fast guys are comfy too. If you don't like the angles, **** OFF and go buy the flavor of the week with the 61 HA and the 7.5" bb.
Meanwhile, Giant will sell thousands of these things, and they will once again be one of the most popular DH bikes on the scene, offering excellent performance and kickass value in a complete bike.
The best part will be the guys on the Giants finishing in the exact same spot as the dood mouthing off online on his 10k intense/ turner/ v10/ evil/ whatever.
The internet is awesome.
on a side note, I don't work for Giant, but maybe I should hahah
Have too say mate you got it in one!!!
Still have friends who ride the old glory and beat the sh*t out of other riders with more expensive bikes.
Anyone can benefit from a 64 degree head angle. The ONLY reason companies insist on making DH bikes slacker than 65 degrees is because 64 degree head angle bikes feel slow and sluggish in the parking lot and on the showroom floor. My bike feels weird and like **** when I pedal around my driveway (64 HA and 14in BB), but the geo is AWEZOME on the trail, especially steep/rocky/fast stuff (basically.....DH). People who have no idea what they're doing when buying a bike THINK that a "nimble flickable" bike is what they want for DH. They want to think they can easily manipulate the bike while riding it. Fact is though, steep, short bikes manipulate YOU when your riding real DH, no matter what the speed. EVERYONE will ride DH trails better on a slack, low bike. Like I've said before, I've never heard someone on a trail complain that their bike is too slack and too stable. Amateurs need a stable bike as much as the pros. I'll agree though, turning a longer bike might be more difficult for amateurs , that's true, but probably still worth the trade off IMO.
If you want a bike to just ride trails like livewire and a-line, then ya, a small steep bike is probably better for pulling whips and such.
That doesn't make it a good bike. Although I will say, for $1700, if I were a beginner, I don't think there's a better buy for a (new) first bike that's for sure.
amen brotha! and btw, i dont ride a Giant.
Dood, its not friggen 70 degrees, its 65 FFS! Thats nowhere NEAR steep, at all. Its more the slack enough, especially if you are on trails that aren't high speed bomber runs the whole way through. You guys make it sound like the bike is completely unridable, with angles so ****ed your mind would explode in 4 pedal strokes.
I'm not talking about how it rides in the parking lot, or in your living room, or anywhere else stupid. I'm talking about the types or trails that the average DH rider is going to encounter, at non-pro speeds. Hell, even at pro speeds, its never been known as a squirrly bike.
Again, the comment about it just being good for beginners is hilarious. Its a pro level frame, no doubt. Even with the facist baby-eating wife-beating puppy-kicking 65 head angle.
i'm starting to draw some similarities with the glory to the demo. e-riders hyped and hyped how it was a heavy huck bike not suited for DH. then low and behold, a certain someone just won the WC on one. i really think it will take a pro absolutely destroying the competition on a glory to get some of these people to realize that maybe their opinion isn't always gospel, and podiums are won by the rider not the bike. if the opposite was true, we would have seen a green/black demo sipping champagne earlier today.
bottom line... i have personally watched this bike kill the sketchiest of steep descents at speeds i couldn't fathom. but wait a minute, the bike has a 65 degree head angle so i mustnt have seen what i did. huh, musta been a dream.
Errr, I was making general comments about geometry, not at all implying that this bike was "bad". I'm sure it's a solid bike. I never said it was "just good for beginners". I was just commenting that "holy sh*t thats a good price for a high end frame."
Apologies sir if I misunderstood. I think I am burnt out on forums. THe e-pros have finally got me to snap hahahh
Agreed though, hard to beat the Giant performance-to-price point. I wish more companies would do affordable DH bikes that rode so well.
Agreed though, hard to beat the Giant performance-to-price point. I wish more companies would do affordable DH bikes that rode so well.
Wow you are dense as hell aren't you?
No worries, i probably wasn't clear enough. Ya I really stoked, this might change the whole "A good DH bike needs to be 3k+" mentality. Still blows my mind that people pay that much for non-custom bikes. Hopefully this will drive down prices. I think it'd be hard to justify spending anything above 2k for a mass produced frame with this thing out next year, despite the giants AWFUL UNRIDEABLE geometry.
be nice...
Yep. Long too.
I'd hit it.
no, he's one the the few on here that gets it....jeff, you freaking rule, don't ever stop being you....
The internet is awesome.
Haven't you heard? Apparently the new consensus is that the best XC/AM bike for downhillers need super low BB's and 66 degree HA's.
Sounds like Giant just missed the mark with the new Glory.
So I just measured my own headangle, as in the one on my neck. Its 65 degrees. This explains why I always fall when I run down the stairs.
thank you Mr. Riffle for the info and Jeff for the hilarity!
A head angle steeper than 65 degrees will certainly death and dismemberment to the rider. At least that is what the internet has taught me...
I might be a little bit slow here but I don't understand what the hell everyone is on about? According to the giant website the head angle is exactly the same on the 2010 as it was on previous models?
I have had 2008 glory for a couple of years and have just purchased a new 2010 glory 00 a couple of weeks ago. I live and ride in Christchurch, New Zealand. We have some of the steepest rockiest DH tracks I have seen or ridin and head angle has never been a problem for me?
If any thing with the new bike it is that much stiffer that landing front wheel first has never been a problem where as if I had done that on the old glory I would have definitely been over the bars. (that may be the difference between boxxers and 40's?)
Don't listen to all these E-experts wanking on about head angles listen to the people who ride there bikes and actually own them.
I originally bought mine as donar bike to use the parts on a Yeti 303DH but after having ridden it I never want to give it up.
I have had 2008 glory for a couple of years and have just purchased a new 2010 glory 00 a couple of weeks ago. I live and ride in Christchurch, New Zealand. We have some of the steepest rockiest DH tracks I have seen or ridin and head angle has never been a problem for me?
If any thing with the new bike it is that much stiffer that landing front wheel first has never been a problem where as if I had done that on the old glory I would have definitely been over the bars. (that may be the difference between boxxers and 40's?)
Don't listen to all these E-experts wanking on about head angles listen to the people who ride there bikes and actually own them.
I originally bought mine as donar bike to use the parts on a Yeti 303DH but after having ridden it I never want to give it up.
Well it cant be that bad as Emmeline Ragot lived an rode here last summer an then went out an had her best season ever...even won some sorta race in Canberra in September tooHere is your answer:
Oh a certain Spanish dude called David was here in Christchurch for our summer too along with a lil english fella called Danny
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Right but they aren't New ZealandersWell it cant be that bad as Emmeline Ragot lived an rode here last summer an then went out an had her best season ever...even won some sorta race in Canberra in September too
Oh a certain Spanish dude called David was here in Christchurch for our summer too along with a lil english fella called Danny
All jokes
On a side note, has anybody actually kept a tally of how many people have died because of the Giant's headangle? I lost count around 4300. It'd be good to know exactly though, as it will affect my buying decision.
Natedog any more updates on the Glory?Have you died yet because of the crazy steep head angle?My Glory frame should be showing up any day now can't wait,got all my parts together ready to build her up,on a side note what kind of chain stay protector are you using?I would like to get one.
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Glory is still good. HA is all relative. I haven't reall encountered anything that made me want to hang the bike up. It's light, nimble, stiff, and looks good. I think you will be satisfied. My chainstay protector is always one of two things, road bike bar tape or a tube wrapped around the stay. Nothing fancy or expensive, but very effective.
Anyone running a Avalanche on their Giant Glory 2010?
Anyone running these and can provide an update
http://www.workscomponents.bigcartel.com/category/head-angle-reducer-cups
Anyone running these and can provide an update
http://www.workscomponents.bigcartel.com/category/head-angle-reducer-cups
I just had these installed by my friend at my local shop not sure if we are friends anymore I guess they are a total bitch to get lined up perfectly.
I only have one ride on them but I rode two of the steeper tech tracks around here and the bike felt great,I got the feeling of being centered in the bike more not out over the front when hitting steep corners and chutes,the rear end also seemed to hook up better I guess because of being more centered.The headangle is obviously more slack I have not put a angle finder on it yet but I would guess 63.5 and it lengthened the wb by 3/4 of a inch,the bb is the same height though.I am happy with the new geo and hopefully it will meen some faster times in my next race.
I only have one ride on them but I rode two of the steeper tech tracks around here and the bike felt great,I got the feeling of being centered in the bike more not out over the front when hitting steep corners and chutes,the rear end also seemed to hook up better I guess because of being more centered.The headangle is obviously more slack I have not put a angle finder on it yet but I would guess 63.5 and it lengthened the wb by 3/4 of a inch,the bb is the same height though.I am happy with the new geo and hopefully it will meen some faster times in my next race.
Even with this lethal HA 
Glory looks pretty fast on Fort Bill track 
http://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/Fox-Presents-Danny-Hart-Fort-William-Helmet-Cam,2404/bturman,109
Glory looks pretty fast on Fort Bill track http://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/Fox-Presents-Danny-Hart-Fort-William-Helmet-Cam,2404/bturman,109
^^^nice ride. I know others are going to be curious, as am I, so I will make the request for all of us. Please provide a review of your Dueler shock after a proper thrashing or two
I wonder how long the cable holder will stick. That area see's alot of dirt and mud.
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