[Manifesto]

hey can someone help me? i've got a 2010 evo ti and can't get this fork 'perfect', can someone with a dialed setup give me there settings, please.



Spring: 7.7nm 'X-FIRM'
Tune: Vanderham specific tune
Weight of me: 187 lbs




I can't seem to get the rebound perfect, its either too fast, too slow or dead. Can you guys hookup some of your settings, i would appreciate it so very much.


thanks,
j

 

[Lelandjt]

Meaning when it feels too fast and you add one click it then feels too slow? Hmm, replace a couple ml of the 7.5wt oil with 10wt and see if you can find a happy clicker position?

 

[Manifesto]

Meaning when it feels too fast and you add one click it then feels too slow? Hmm, replace a couple ml of the 7.5wt oil with 10wt and see if you can find a happy clicker position?

Naw,
fork is as smooth as butter. I just cant find a happy medium. Do you have your settings? I kind of want a bike that is slow enough that the front wheel doesnt hop around but fast enough that it doesnt pack up.

I CANT FIND A GOOD SETTING! It's really pissing me off.

 

[boylagz]

^ What's your setting right now? How many clicks of rebound from open, compression from open, any air preload?

 

[Lelandjt]

My weight and spring are too different from your's for a direct comparison but I use either the 9th or 10th click of rebound (where 1 is full fast) depending on conditions. It's a small difference. In most situations I use the faster setting cuz I don't want the front packing and getting low and steep. I use the slower setting when the bumps are smaller, traction is the problem, or the track isn't steep.

 

[Manifesto]

^ What's your setting right now? How many clicks of rebound from open, compression from open, any air preload?

Rebound - 8 from open(fastest)
Compression - 3 from open
Preload - 1 click
AV - Fully open

 

[staike]

What will be the right spring for a 135 lbs rider? I normally run 25% on the fork and 33% rear.

 

[92SE-R]

I'm 140 lbs and run the stock spring with volume adjust backed out, and 4 clicks of compression. A couple clicks of preload. ANd I get full travel at whistler.

stock oil heights too

 

[Lelandjt]

^I think "stock spring" is different for different frame sizes.

Edit: Nevermind, wrong thread.

 

[92SE-R]

5.5 is the standard stock spring when you buy the fork.

 

[Xetal]

I ran 3 days with grease instead of foam rings and the plushness of the fork was greatly improved. I opened her up yesterday to see and there was plenty of grease left and it wasnt contaminated at all. So grease for me is a keeper.

The VA piston is obviously defect in my fork. Always over 1" of oil on top of it... I wacked it out and added 100ml of oil instead. Ill see how it performs. I dont use the VA adjustment anyways.

Update **

With the VA piston out and added oil the fork felt a lot better during the day. Plush from start till end.

The added 100ml oil is not enough. I hardly bottomed out 3 times on successive HS big hits. Nothing to worry but i was running 0 click of VA with the piston in. So if any one go that route i suggest to add more then 100ml. Ima make it 125ml and see.

Keep in mind im 200lbs and ride heavy. A light rider or smooth rider should be ok with 100ml.

 

[peterdaam]

So i managed to get a 2011 888 RC3 EVO Ti and have had a few days on it already, here is my info:

150 pounds
2011 Demo8 with 350# rear coil spring
So far have ridden Fromme (Ladies Only and Espresso), Seymour (2x CBC to bottom laps) and a day up at the Whistler Bike Park.

888: stock (medium) coil and no changes to the internal oil volumes or shim stack
12 clicks rebound
0 clicks air volume (at max air volume)
0 clicks preload
4 clicks compression

I had a 2009 Fox 40 FIT RC2 before the 888 and i really liked the fork, very predictable but i just wanted to try something else. After reading all these posts i was convince and picked up a 888!
So far the ride is INCREDIBLY SMOOTH, i can't get over how well it absorbs the chatter bumps at the park, my arms and hands didn't hurt at all after a hard day of riding. I'm utilizing all of the travel of the fork with no feelings of bottoming out. It seems as though regular riding i get about 7" of travel and then on a big hit i end up using it all.

there is a difference between the 888 and 40 that i've noticed, the rebound feels a bit different. It's hard to explain and it could just be that i'm used to the 40 after running it for 4 years, but it almost seems like the 888 isn't quite as 'smart'. The 40 had a more consistent feel for the rebound, almost like it adapted to the terrain and speed, the 888 doesn't quite feel like that. Maybe it just means i need more time on the fork to get used to it.

But overall, even with the rebound, the fork is amazing! Glad i made the change! Very excited to reap the benefits of the rebuild intervals and dependability that Marz is well known for now.


As an asside, i am so sold on the Marz feeling that i've just sold my 36 Talas RC2 and picking up a 55 RC3 Ti!!! (is there a thread on this fork for tuning etc?!)

 

[Lelandjt]

^You're running more clicks of rebound than most people. Try speeding it up a click and see if you like it better. I'm only running 8 or 9 by your method of counting.

 

[peterdaam]

I'm not sure if i'd want it much quicker. I turned it until it was engaging too much then sped it up to feel similar to the rear, put me at 12 clicks in from full out.

But thanks for the tip, I might as well give it a try, got nothing to lose!

 

[IH8Rice]

some redundant and useful info via Vital. i never looked at HSC as "small bump compliance" though

 

[Xetal]

Thanks for that info man

 

[gollub01]

I spoke with Bobby today.....2012's are available this week ! We've already had a 2012 888cr in. Amazingly smooth fork. External adjustments, etc. Way smoother than anything that has ever come out of RS or Fox. And for the price.....The "window" crown looks pretty sweet.

 

[Udi]

some redundant and useful info via Vital. i never looked at HSC as "small bump compliance" though

You're right it's not - impacts with low amplitude (even with high velocity - such as small bumps) will fall into the LSC region, as a reasonable amplitude is needed to start opening the HS valving in most cases.

So square edged hits / braking bumps will be in the HSC region, but small chatter generally will usually be dealt with by the tyres, and may be felt through the bike if there's too much LSC (especially if the damping is kicking in at very low shaft speeds).

 

[staike]

Hey guys, I'm 135 lbs / 62 kg, will a Medium spring work fine for me? If it is slightly to stiff (which I think it might be), what magical tricks can I do to make it better for me except getting a new spring?

 

[tacubaya]

You're right it's not - impacts with low amplitude (even with high velocity - such as small bumps) will fall into the LSC region, as a reasonable amplitude is needed to start opening the HS valving in most cases.

So square edged hits / braking bumps will be in the HSC region, but small chatter generally will usually be dealt with by the tyres, and may be felt through the bike if there's too much LSC (especially if the damping is kicking in at very low shaft speeds).

This.

 

[newyork1]

Any of you guys selling your 888 now that the new model is here? Shoot me a PM.

 

[Lelandjt]

Hey guys, I'm 135 lbs / 62 kg, will a Medium spring work fine for me? If it is slightly to stiff (which I think it might be), what magical tricks can I do to make it better for me except getting a new spring?

Remove the o-ring from the volume adjuster to maximize air volume. Also remove 10cc of oil. This will make it very linear but it'll probably still be too firm in the first half of travel. At your weight the damping will be kind of firm too. Consider replacing half the stock 7.5wt oil with 5wt.

 

[Lelandjt]

Those of you who have burped your legs, do you usually have some pressure built up? More in one leg than the other? I have a little pressure after 2 days of DHing, more in the left than right.

 

[marshalolson]

More in one leg than the other? I have a little pressure after 2 days of DHing, more in the left than right.

same results here.

 

[staike]

Remove the o-ring from the volume adjuster to maximize air volume. Also remove 10cc of oil. This will make it very linear but it'll probably still be too firm in the first half of travel. At your weight the damping will be kind of firm too. Consider replacing half the stock 7.5wt oil with 5wt.

Thanks! I'm getting the fork/bike at sunday, so I will look into it then.

 

[gemini2k]

same results here.

Me too. Usually some in the damper side, but little to none in the spring.

 

[baca262]

there is a difference between the 888 and 40 that i've noticed, the rebound feels a bit different. It's hard to explain and it could just be that i'm used to the 40 after running it for 4 years, but it almost seems like the 888 isn't quite as 'smart'. The 40 had a more consistent feel for the rebound, almost like it adapted to the terrain and speed, the 888 doesn't quite feel like that.

the 40 has a shimmed rebound piston (separate high and low speed rebound) while the 888 doesn't (2012 models will), that must be the difference you feel.

edit: this shimmed rebound bit must be googled first, just read that this may not the case

 

[staike]

How the f*** do I get off the lower spring guide thing? The plastic thing on the bottom of the spring. I suppose I need it for the new spring.

 

[peterdaam]

the 40 has a shimmed rebound piston (separate high and low speed rebound) while the 888 doesn't (2012 models will), that must be the difference you feel.

Someone earlier said to run my rebound a few clicks less and that did the trick!
I've gotten quite a bit more mileage on the fork and i have to say i'm liking it more and more. Very predictable and nice and smoooooth.

Just bought a 55 RC3 Ti for the all-mountain bike and it feels like a mini 888! Another amazing fork, Marz is up to something!

 

[Xetal]

So who's replacing their 2011 Evo's for 2012 and why ?

 

[IH8Rice]

upgrading just my cartridge would be more appealing to me since theres nothing wrong with my chassis.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

Maybe you can compare the new cartridge with the old one if you go for it?
Anyone who knows if you can get the upper crown separately?

 

[gemini2k]

upgrading just my cartridge would be more appealing to me since theres nothing wrong with my chassis.

Ya, try the avy. Chasis are gonna be update for 2013 I believe. Should be interesting.

 

[staike]

I got a bike with the fork two days ago and I'm very impressed by the fork.

I'm 61 kg / 135 lbs. I get right around 25% sag on the 888 EVO Ti with a Medium Ti spring! Without any LSC, VA, mech preload and with the stock oil weights and shimstack (and "normal" rebound speed) I can get 170 mm travel out of the fork from just pushing it down as hard as I can in the street. The last half of the stroke feels too progressive so I'm probably going to remove the VA chamber.

How do I remove the chamber/ make it useless?

 

[Jm_]

The last half of the stroke feels too progressive so I'm probably going to remove the VA chamber.

How do I remove the chamber/ make it useless?

And you got it two days ago and haven't ridden it yet? I'd give you rep, but I forget how.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

Maybe you should try to ride it before you change something?

 

[IH8Rice]

Ya, try the avy. Chasis are gonna be update for 2013 I believe. Should be interesting.

ive been really happy with Marz's cartridge so far, especially after the tune....plus i can get the new one at dealer cost and the Avy for a bit more.
i havent heard any rumblings about a new chassis.....what has changed? im assuming they shaved s'more weight on it.

 

[Xetal]

I was under the impression that tbe V2 cartridge was a lot better. As usual Marzocchi is not good at giving out tech info's...

My current EVO cartridge is fine since i removed the VA piston (Defective from day 1,oil get passed it super easy)

I wonder how much the V2 cartridge will be alone ?

 

[gemini2k]

i havent heard any rumblings about a new chassis.....what has changed? im assuming they shaved s'more weight on it.

Nothing anywhere near official. But my ears hear rumors of lighter lowers, in the 100-200g range.

 

[staike]

And you got it two days ago and haven't ridden it yet? I'd give you rep, but I forget how.

Yeah I've ridden it, but not on a "proper" trail. I got it close to midnight on sunday, I was outside riding our short local trails yesterday from I got home to I went to bed. Most of the trails are really short (ca. 30 sec) and not the hardest ones. I got full travel there with my old 66, but I haven't got full travel with the 888. It feels like the bike is slightly unbalanced, I have 33% sag on the rear (Trek Session) and the damping feels slightly uneven front/rear. I did manage to get full travel when I dropped 1,5 meter to flat (didn't feel it bottom, saw it on the oil marks on the stanchion), but I don't think that count.

I'm going to ride on some longer trails tomorow where I hopefully can test it properly, but it really feels like it's slightly oversprung for me. Either removing the VA chamber or adding some lighter weight oil. Or both.