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BOOMSLANG

Chimp
Apr 6, 2009
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Morgan Hill
Gotta ask the reasoning behind that decision?
The rear post mount standard is not quite as dialed as the IS standard just yet. The adapters between the various rotor sizes has not yet stabalized, especially when going from 160 to 180/185 and 200/203. Since most people will be running the bigger rotors on this bike, we wanted to keep it as flexible and user freindly as possible and still keep the option for a 160 rotor.

JC
 

BOOMSLANG

Chimp
Apr 6, 2009
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Morgan Hill
.... and the bolt-on chainslap guard is neat but lacks coverage. There is a cut-out in it where the chain passes very close the the frame in the 11t/12t cog (only a couple mm clearance), so its getting ditched for soft velcro.
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Thanks for the feedback. There should be a clear mylar protector patch inside the chainstay guard window you are talking about. It will protect the paint, and I think you will find that the chain doesn't really rattle much in that direction. Velcro or rubber would be quieter, but it was sort of a trade off to keep the rear end narrow.

Hopefully you will find the protection in all the other areas adequate. You should also find that it rides pretty quiet. Give it a try and let me know how it works before ditching it.

Jason C
 

A.P

Monkey
Nov 21, 2005
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boston
Thanks for the feedback. There should be a clear mylar protector patch inside the chainstay guard window you are talking about. It will protect the paint, and I think you will find that the chain doesn't really rattle much in that direction. Velcro or rubber would be quieter, but it was sort of a trade off to keep the rear end narrow.

Hopefully you will find the protection in all the other areas adequate. You should also find that it rides pretty quiet. Give it a try and let me know how it works before ditching it.

Jason C
Thanks for the follow up, but ill still be using soft velcro like on my last couple bikes. I like a quiet bike and the clear sticker doesn't deaden noise. Either way the guard doesn't cover the lower 4-5'' of the top seatstay which runs close to the chain, so you will need something extra anyway.

Not a big deal by any means though, any bike you purchase is going to need plenty of work to make it run perfect. The included guard is better than just about anything I've seen come stock with a bike (which is usually nothing), and I much appreciate the trade-off for heel clearance with size 12's. The rest of the bike is so dialed too.

I would also like to high five whoever specced the specialized branded hub, it is near totally silent. I hate loud hubs and ive always wanted a silent one.
 
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Thanks for the follow up, but ill still be using soft velcro like on my last couple bikes. I like a quiet bike and the clear sticker doesn't deaden noise. Either way the guard doesn't cover the lower 4-5'' of the top seatstay which runs close to the chain, so you will need something extra anyway.

Not a big deal by any means though, any bike you purchase is going to need plenty of work to make it run perfect. The included guard is better than just about anything I've seen come stock with a bike (which is usually nothing), and I much appreciate the trade-off for heel clearance with size 12's. The rest of the bike is so dialed too.

I would also like to high five whoever specced the specialized branded hub, it is near totally silent. I hate loud hubs and ive always wanted a silent one.
I found the little gap you're talking about!

Thankfully, I have a little 6 speed cassette jobby that doesn't come (too) close, however, with my slight OCD I went over the lot with a fine tooth comb; pulling and pushing the chain in every direction it could ever want to go, and found it could still theoretically contact that patch of bare frame. To fix it, I simply grabbed one of those white buttons of soft velcro and stuck it in the gap. It works really well, and covers the one small spot that's neglected.

(Quick note to JC; why is there a cut out there? There doesn't seem to be a lack of clearance?)
 

BOOMSLANG

Chimp
Apr 6, 2009
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Morgan Hill
(Quick note to JC; why is there a cut out there? There doesn't seem to be a lack of clearance?)
I assume we are all talking about the window cut out in the upper CS protector, on the inside wall.

This is for chain clearance.

A patch of velcro in there is a great idea.

PM me some pics if you find that the chain hits other areas that are not covered.

JC
 

FOXROX

Turbo Monkey
Jun 23, 2007
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hambur,nj
- ''Rubber Bumpers and Steerer spacer for FOX40 (included in box)
(apparently new demo is not FOX40 friendly (?) but they got free kit for it)''

I get rubber bumpers part,, but what kind of spacer?
I ask because i plan to buy lower end model and put fox on it ,,, Hope this explains it better for the SMART BOYS on Rm,,,

Thnaks.
if it comes with a kit to mount it, then what else would you need?
 

worship_mud

Turbo Monkey
Dec 9, 2006
1,465
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- ''Rubber Bumpers and Steerer spacer for FOX40 (included in box)
(apparently new demo is not FOX40 friendly (?) but they got free kit for it)''

I get rubber bumpers part,, but what kind of spacer?
I ask because i plan to buy lower end model and put fox on it ,,, Hope this explains it better for the SMART BOYS on Rm,,,

Thnaks.
:popcorn:
 

Nagaredama

Turbo Monkey
Nov 15, 2004
1,596
2
Manhattan Beach, CA USA
Framesets should be arrving any time. Check with your local dealer or call Specialized Customer Service for an exact date. That is what I would have to do:)

JC
Duh, not sure why I didn't think of that.

I called them and got an answer I didn't want to hear. According to the customer service rep the framesets are going to be awhile.
 

ap_

Chimp
Dec 17, 2010
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Has anyone else tried Saint M815 with 36T chainring and E13 LG1+ (32-36T) combo on new Demo? Well there is not enough space for the upper guide unless it's rotated past the 12 o'clock position, just saying...
 

mtb-sam

Chimp
Apr 5, 2009
25
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East, TN
Just picked up a new demo and thinking about running a LG1+. I dont see where you guys are talking about clearance issues? It looks like there is plenty room around the top guide.

-sam
 

ap_

Chimp
Dec 17, 2010
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On optimum position top guide hits the chainstay when suspension compresses. That's the problem
 

BOOMSLANG

Chimp
Apr 6, 2009
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Morgan Hill
I found out the same thing with my LS1 except i run a 38T
Hmmmm..... I don't have a good answer right this second.

I do know that we generally prefer the SRS over the LS1/LG1 series. We have found that it retains the chain more securely and there is no taco to lose.

How many of you are running 38t? No disrespect intended - most World Cups are won on 36t - are you really spinning out a 36?

JC
 

William42

fork ways
Jul 31, 2007
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Hmmmm..... I don't have a good answer right this second.

I do know that we generally prefer the SRS over the LS1/LG1 series. We have found that it retains the chain more securely and there is no taco to lose.

How many of you are running 38t? No disrespect intended - most World Cups are won on 36t - are you really spinning out a 36?

JC
I suspect most pro's are better at spinning then most of the guys running 38t. Alot of people like to have alot of resistance in the cranks when they pedal.
 

JCL

Monkey
Aug 31, 2008
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I suspect most pro's are better at spinning then most of the guys running 38t. Alot of people like to have alot of resistance in the cranks when they pedal.
Naah. Pro's just stay off the brakes and carry enough speed over the stuff we need to pedal on.

I like 34T chainrings and the Gamut P20. Loads of clearance and I never spin out 34T/11. I'd get scared way before then :)
 

ap_

Chimp
Dec 17, 2010
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It does fit if you don't mind that chain rolls over the top guide. At least that's the case with 36T chainring
 

EVIL JN

Monkey
Jul 24, 2009
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Boomslang will a old gen Vivid fit the stock yoke? As far as i can see the area around the eyelet is the same as the new gen with the normal position of the rebound knob. I tried to fit it and it only went in a little bit so i guess that i need a different yoke. As to spinning out a 38T probably not so much in race situations but sprinting down fire roads it happens quiet often and i have already decided to go down to 36T again to gain some clearance since the bb sits currently at 13.25
 

Dogboy

Turbo Monkey
Apr 12, 2004
3,129
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Chapel Hill, NC
It looks pretty clear to me that the placement of the chainstay would require rotating a LG1+ further clockwise than what is optimal - just look how high the chainstay is. If I was getting one a SRS+ would be my choice for a chainguide.
 
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Supa8

Monkey
May 3, 2002
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Middle of MA
It looks pretty clear to me that the placement of the chainstay would require rotating a LG1+ further colckwise than what is optimal - just look how high the chainstay is. If I was getting one a SRS+ would be my choice for a chainguide.
Low BB and LG1+, I agree = bad idea.
 

TomBigmac

Chimp
May 31, 2009
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I have a straitline 32T-36T waiting to bolt on to my Demo which should arrive this week, will let you know how I get on.
 

BOOMSLANG

Chimp
Apr 6, 2009
95
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Morgan Hill
Boomslang will a old gen Vivid fit the stock yoke? As far as i can see the area around the eyelet is the same as the new gen with the normal position of the rebound knob. I tried to fit it and it only went in a little bit so i guess that i need a different yoke. As to spinning out a 38T probably not so much in race situations but sprinting down fire roads it happens quiet often and i have already decided to go down to 36T again to gain some clearance since the bb sits currently at 13.25
Only the newer Vivids with the perpendicular rebound knob will work. And even then you need an different shock yoke, which will be available aftermarket shortly.

Boomslang
 

Inclag

Turbo Monkey
Sep 9, 2001
2,326
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MA
There's going to be quite the flood of bike porn in this thread in the coming weeks me thinks :)