[RoboS]

Looking at the Wilson frame I see that it's not optimized for braking as other split pivot designs. On split pivot as described by DW and Treks ABP, chainstay is optimized for pedaling and setastay with rocker is optimized for braking. On Wilson, seatstay (which also holds the brake caliper) is connected directly to frame (has one pivot at the rear hub and second on the frame), just like single pivot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but for me this looks like big marketing game "Our design is unique and different"

 

[roel_koel]

Looking at the Wilson frame I see that it's not optimized for braking as other split pivot designs. On split pivot as described by DW and Treks ABP, chainstay is optimized for pedaling and setastay with rocker is optimized for braking. On Wilson, seatstay (which also holds the brake caliper) is connected directly to frame (has one pivot at the rear hub and second on the frame), just like single pivot.

its hard to see in the photo, but the brake caliper is located correctly for active braking with the Split-Pivot concentric dropout (remember, this Devinci was designed by DW working closely with Devinci, and DW test rode all the prototypes to do the shock-tune and fine setup)

 

[Sandwich]

Looking at the Wilson frame I see that it's not optimized for braking as other split pivot designs. On split pivot as described by DW and Treks ABP, chainstay is optimized for pedaling and setastay with rocker is optimized for braking. On Wilson, seatstay (which also holds the brake caliper) is connected directly to frame (has one pivot at the rear hub and second on the frame), just like single pivot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but for me this looks like big marketing game "Our design is unique and different"

correction, the brake is connected to the chainstay, but is located above the seatstay, if that makes sense. Basically the mounts are extended. You may have to check out other photos to see it.

I don't know how it works exactly (vector forces and whatever), but I imagine it's optimized the same way trek and the other protos are optimized.

 

[troy]

Looking at the Wilson frame I see that it's not optimized for braking as other split pivot designs. On split pivot as described by DW and Treks ABP, chainstay is optimized for pedaling and setastay with rocker is optimized for braking. On Wilson, seatstay (which also holds the brake caliper) is connected directly to frame (has one pivot at the rear hub and second on the frame), just like single pivot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but for me this looks like big marketing game "Our design is unique and different"

 

[captainspauldin]

Looks alot better from this angle:

 

[RoboS]

correction, the brake is connected to the chainstay, but is located above the seatstay, if that makes sense. Basically the mounts are extended. You may have to check out other photos to see it.

I don't know how it works exactly (vector forces and whatever), but I imagine it's optimized the same way trek and the other protos are optimized.

I didn't see the droputs detail. Now its clear to me.

Thanks

 

[Delimeat]

At Interbike and just put together a video article with Weagle on the new '11 Devinci Wilson. A bit more info.

Check it out here.

 

[RayB]

dw talks about the bike here: http://www.pinkbike.com/news/devinci-wilson-2011-interbike.html

Looks pretty dope!!!

 

[captainspauldin]

Looks good in red.

EDIT: def. a different design, I like how the shock/rocker link(dunno what else to call it) is located by the bb, def seems different for a SP bike..

 

[dump]

Great interview DW... would love to give one of these a go sometime.

 

[jon-boy]

The production version of that bike looks awesome.

 

[Nagaredama]

The geo is different between Pinkbike and the Devinci site is slightly different. Anyone know which one is correct?

 

[Tetreault]

the video says that the link can be swapped to adjust bb height and head angle, it may be possible that each site has it stated in the 2 different setting

 

[Nagaredama]

the video says that the link can be swapped to adjust bb height and head angle, it may be possible that each site has it stated in the 2 different setting

The top tube and wheelbase geos are what is different.

 

[roel_koel]

my boss (Devinci UK distributor - Freeborn Bikes) is currently at Interbike in Las Vegas with Devinci and DW, and will come back to the UK next week with all the correct info

DW's geo info in the PB video is contradictory of the Devinci geometry charts, but they have been making subtle adjustments to the geo and sizing, so the Devinci geometry charts may be outdated!

 

[Sandwich]

i hope that we see them change the numbers as per what's been discussed in this thread. I'd love to know that friggin RM has some sort of an impact on manufacturer's product design.

 

[Delimeat]

Hey guys. The geometry on the Wilson had changed since I got the geo chart that was in the article. It has been updated with the new numbers straight from Devinci. You can see it here.

Bike looked very impressive in person. I'm not a fan of swoopy or curvy, but WOW. They also had the all-mountain and XCish bike out for people to see. If we get a chance I'll get some more info on those as well.

 

[Nagaredama]

As long as the top tube stays longer I'll be a happy man!

 

[kidwithbike]

umm that promo video is pretty much freaking awesome.
i think i want.

 

[WhoRyder]

Man that promo videos makes me want the Wilson too..but at the end of the video my wife said.....

"Babe, that guy is a pro, he can ride like that on a huffy"...lol

i then agreed.... amazing looking bike though...

 

[FlipFantasia]

that promo vid is the cheesiest crap ever! riding's good, but that first bit is brutal! ULTIMATE!

 

[Nagaredama]

Wilson, DHR, or Demo 8 tough decision to make for 2011.

 

[Sandwich]

has a frame only price been kicked out yet?

 

[monkeyfcuker]

Lifetime warranty yes please!!

 

[roel_koel]

pricing has not yet been confirmed

we currently sell the 2010 Wilson FSR at GBP£1500 here in the UK

we are expecting the 2011 Wilson SP to be around the GBP£2000 in the UK, which makes it super competitive with other DH frames

should be able to confirm this next week

 

[Sandwich]

damn, really? that seems like a lot of dough for this frame...

 

[Tetreault]

it will be priced similar to other dh frames out there, im guessing between 2400-2800 for a frame. only speculation

 

[IH8Rice]

a straight GBP to USD isnt fair...$3100 would be on the high side

 

[MinorThreat]

Oooooo, kerves . . . shades of the old Sintesi Rumba.

 

[roel_koel]

to give an idea of GBP comparative pricing on other manufacturers DH frames in the UK (all with Fox shock) against the Wilson SP

2010 SC V-10 (£2,600 colour, £2850 anodised)

2010 Orange 224 Evo (£2,100)

2010 Empire AP-1 (£2,660)

2011 SBC Demo 8 (£2,200)

2010 Transition TR450 (£1,900)

2010 Intense (£2,600)

 

[Sandwich]

that's cool. Well, I hope it hits a competitive price point, because I'd like to buy one...but if it's trying to compete with the ludicrously expensive other frames out there, I'll buy a something else or save my pennies for a better frame...