Quantcast

2012 team rumour and speculation

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by Straya, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. Routier07

    Routier07 Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 0
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2009
    Messages:
    261
     

    Please register to disable this ad.

  2. boylagz

    boylagz Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 2
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    473
    Location:
    SF bay area
    Any updates on who Bulldog will race for next season? And is Ratboy still gonna be with the SCS?
     
  3. RayB

    RayB Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    10 / 94
    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2008
    Messages:
    746
    Location:
    Seattle
    Waiting until after the New Year when people can start [legally] talking.... :)
     
  4. 'size

    'size Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    9 / 245
    Joined:
    May 30, 2007
    Messages:
    1,914
    Location:
    AZ
  5. 4130biker

    4130biker PM me about Tantrum Cycles!

    Rep/Likes:
    64 / 441
    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    3,924
    Location:
    Lizard Town
    How do you always make so much sense? I don't really have anything all that useful to add accept thank you for always being willing to share some suspension/frame knowledge. I feel like you and Steve M have made it fun and interesting to learn about supsension, which has previously seemed to be a bit of a black art to me.

    Back to the thread at hand- I thought it was interesting that Sam Hill has to approve of the bike before he'll ride for a team.
     
  6. General Lee

    General Lee Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 0
    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2003
    Messages:
    2,872
    Location:
    The 802
    Sam's other bike. Discuss.

     
  7. Nagaredama

    Nagaredama Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 2
    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2004
    Messages:
    1,596
    Location:
    Manhattan Beach, CA USA
    Hill running TIME clip in pedals next season?
     
  8. scottishmark

    scottishmark Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    16 / 20
    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    2,124
    Location:
    Somewhere dark, cold & wet....
    Finally gets a decent set of pedals then!
     
  9. numerik

    numerik Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 8
    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2005
    Messages:
    473
    Location:
    Slovenia, Europe
    Nobody talks about switch to Schwalbe tires. Suspension (RS Blackbox) is the same, also geometry of the bike is more or less the same, but rubber, as "contact" point, could be the biggest difference (and maybe for the better). What do you think?
     
  10. scottishmark

    scottishmark Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    16 / 20
    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    2,124
    Location:
    Somewhere dark, cold & wet....
    Could be interesting, although Hill Billy to Muddy Mary isn't a massive change. It was also a forced change as there was no way he'd be rocking the Spec' tyres next season
     
  11. bismojo

    bismojo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    2 / 35
    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    271
    Also the pedals.. saddle and handlebar.. different contact points altogether.
     
  12. chillindrdude

    chillindrdude Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    8 / 23
    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2002
    Messages:
    1,864
    Location:
    Northern VA, a peckerwood with too many guns
    Fall of MarZocchi...they lost their highest visibility race team on the WC circuit.
     
  13. StyledAirtime

    StyledAirtime Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 1
    Joined:
    May 24, 2006
    Messages:
    245
    Location:
    NewZealand
    If it stays around the MS Mondraker team have been with Marzocchi for the last year.
     
  14. Udi

    Udi RM Chief Ornithologist: “I Brake for Birds”

    Rep/Likes:
    94 / 792
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    Messages:
    4,716
    http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Inside-Sam-Hills-Move-to-Team-CRCNukeproof.html

    Honestly I thought the Specialized goodbye video sounded like a clingy girlfriend after a bad breakup, there was something just a little off about the whole thing - but it seemed like a good thought and nice thing to do.

    I sensed a bit of bitterness in Sean Heimdal's words in this article though...
    Looks like Sam saw some other benefits... perhaps due to better suspension kinematics.
     
  15. mattmatt86

    mattmatt86 Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    6 / 10
    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2005
    Messages:
    5,390
    Location:
    Bleedmore, Murderland
    I've read this sentence 8 times and still can't figure out what it means. It could just be the hangover though...
     
  16. chillindrdude

    chillindrdude Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    8 / 23
    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2002
    Messages:
    1,864
    Location:
    Northern VA, a peckerwood with too many guns
    i got the sense he was gutted as well. dont wanna be a hater but i think sam is in the twilight of his career (not quite where Peaty is now) and with a new mouth to feed. I wouldn't be surprised (nor do i blame him) if money was a significant factor, barring any serious deficiencies in the CRC frame, in his switch. if i was in his shoes, i'd try to get the highest payout i could.

    IMHO, nowadays shock tuning and geometry is can be easily dialed to taste that it mitigates any significant differences between suspension designs (SP vs FSR vs DWlink, etc). despite the hype, i personally don't think the pulse is any better than the Demo.
     
  17. boylagz

    boylagz Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 2
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    473
    Location:
    SF bay area
    Reading the QnA's both from pb and vital, things are really interesting now. As with the statement above, its always getting paid the most, if you do this exclusively for a living. Who can do this stuff? Doing what you love, racing bikes, travel and having an absolute blast while doing it. Not very many... Getting the bills paid is what matters at the end of the day for these different breed of professional athletes. Go Sam, kill it next season.
     
  18. iRider

    iRider Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    23 / 233
    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2008
    Messages:
    1,873
  19. StyledAirtime

    StyledAirtime Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 1
    Joined:
    May 24, 2006
    Messages:
    245
    Location:
    NewZealand
    Sorry I was just stating to the person who said it was the fall of Marzocchi now the CRC team is on Sram/Rockshox.
    I was stating they have another "highly Visible" team in the MS Mondraker team.
     
  20. mattmatt86

    mattmatt86 Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    6 / 10
    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2005
    Messages:
    5,390
    Location:
    Bleedmore, Murderland
  21. blackohio

    blackohio Generous jaywalker

    Rep/Likes:
    31 / 120
    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2009
    Messages:
    2,816
    Location:
    Hellafornia. Formerly stumptown.
    ahahaha what a twat.
     
  22. boylagz

    boylagz Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 2
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    473
    Location:
    SF bay area
    Lol I wasnt sure if dude was trying to be funny or serious.
     
  23. blackohio

    blackohio Generous jaywalker

    Rep/Likes:
    31 / 120
    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2009
    Messages:
    2,816
    Location:
    Hellafornia. Formerly stumptown.
    could be epic troll, i'd not thought of that.
     
  24. William42

    William42 fork ways

    Rep/Likes:
    17 / 284
    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2007
    Messages:
    3,671
    i assume he was joking, it seemed pretty clear. huh. didn't even consider that he MIGHT be serious.
     
  25. blackohio

    blackohio Generous jaywalker

    Rep/Likes:
    31 / 120
    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2009
    Messages:
    2,816
    Location:
    Hellafornia. Formerly stumptown.
    maybe ive read too much mtbr recently.
     
  26. RayB

    RayB Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    10 / 94
    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2008
    Messages:
    746
    Location:
    Seattle
    Honestly... I think Schwalbe is just going to make a DHF/Butcher clone. Their mud spike will suffice, though, I bet.
     
  27. 4130biker

    4130biker PM me about Tantrum Cycles!

    Rep/Likes:
    64 / 441
    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    3,924
    Location:
    Lizard Town
    I used to think the cloning was kinda lame (DHF copies specifically), but maybe as dh tires become refined, the more similar they become?
    Am I wrong in thinking that moto tires have more or less converged on similar designs?
    I'm sure finer details will still set the tires apart, but it'll be interesting if they all end up looking almost the same for each given application.
     
  28. boylagz

    boylagz Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 2
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    473
    Location:
    SF bay area
    Ive been on the MM since early summer 2012 and its an outstanding tire. Prolly the best Ive ran so far. Bone dry to muddy/wet, it works. Hill I reckon will adjust pretty quick. Stoked for racing this year!
     
  29. MmmBones

    MmmBones Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    19 / 84
    Joined:
    May 8, 2011
    Messages:
    271
    Location:
    Porkland, OR
    I figured this would be the place where people would be talking about Sam Hill and tires. I picked up on that team rumors cartoon of him a while back and thought to myself, he'll be on the Schwalbe Muddy Mary and people will talk about it because they aren't the Minion DHF, but didn't he win his first World Championships as a junior on Intense tires that were similar to the Muddy Mary? I think that he's on to something good here.
     
    #1029 -   Jan 2, 2013
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2013
  30. General Lee

    General Lee Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 0
    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2003
    Messages:
    2,872
    Location:
    The 802
    I think it's not going to matter. The internet's probably more worried than he is, and will certainly take longer to adjust.
     
  31. tabletop84

    tabletop84 Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    3 / 15
    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2011
    Messages:
    893


    this
     
  32. Udi

    Udi RM Chief Ornithologist: “I Brake for Birds”

    Rep/Likes:
    94 / 792
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    Messages:
    4,716
    That's incorrect, see post #963.

    Shock tuning and geometry are not the same thing as frame kinematics. You cannot mitigate poor kinematics with shock tuning, all you can do is compensate for them which tends to negatively impact other facets of performance.
     
  33. tabletop84

    tabletop84 Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    3 / 15
    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2011
    Messages:
    893
    so which bike on the wc do you consider to have 'poor kinematics'?
     
  34. iRider

    iRider Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    23 / 233
    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2008
    Messages:
    1,873
    Everything not engineered by DW. ;)

    Sorry Udi. :)
     
  35. Udi

    Udi RM Chief Ornithologist: “I Brake for Birds”

    Rep/Likes:
    94 / 792
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    Messages:
    4,716
    Every bike has room for improvement. Some more than others.
     
  36. ianjenn

    ianjenn Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    16 / 280
    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2006
    Messages:
    2,486
    Location:
    SLO
    Man I thought you were talking about riders there for a minute. :)
     
  37. Mo(n)arch

    Mo(n)arch Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    117 / 1,059
    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2010
    Messages:
    4,138
    Location:
    Italy/south Tyrol
    Demo has no ramping at the end of the travel (really linear) and almost only forward travel.
    Not sure about the Nukeproof.
    Has it a high main pivot point?
    What's interesting is, that the Nukeproof has a +10mm BB drop against a 0mm or -10mm drop on the carbon demo.
    Also the CS length is a 435mm (nukeproof, shortest setting) vs. a 421mm on the demo.

    The Sunday had a 438mm CS and 0mm BB drop.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.
    It would be interesting how much SAG he rides on the Nukeproof and he rode on the demo.
     
  38. davet

    davet Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 3
    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2004
    Messages:
    552
    This is sooo true.
     
  39. monkeyfcuker

    monkeyfcuker Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    2 / 2
    Joined:
    May 26, 2008
    Messages:
    905
    Location:
    UK, Carlisle
    Very diplomatic Udi ;)

    I'd be interested in hearing which bike/shock combination you think is currently the closest to perfect discounting geo?
     
  40. al-irl

    al-irl Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    5 / 0
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2004
    Messages:
    1,089
    Location:
    A, A
    who said the demo is the be all and end all of dh bike design. The nukeproof isnt a million miles apart from a Morewood Makulu in its design, which if im not mistaken is rated very highly. Just because the Nukeproof isnt a high end boutique brand doesnt mean its not a kick ass bike. As far as I know all the team riders opted to run the Scalps in the higher bb setting with a angleset to restore the head angle. They also had custom rear ends which were slightly shorter than the stock one on the scalp. All these tweaks were taken on board and implemented in the new pulse. The CRC riders got some pretty solid results on the bikes last season. Ok ill admit there was no WC wins or podiums but the riders they had wouldnt have been expected to be in the mix for that. There is no reason why with a rider of Sams ability that he cant put the bike on the top step of the podium. This time next year the 2014 bike tread will be full of Nukeproof Pulses