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2012 team rumour and speculation

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by Straya, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. davet

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    how do you know that isn't how AG approached them.

    you don't. no one does. it's all speculation and dreamed up opinions of what actually happened

    it'll all come out soon enough I imagine, but lets not form personal opinions on a guy based on the internet's version of what happened behind the scenes.
     
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    It's just based off the story told by TWR. I'm man enough to change my opinion if someone else steps up with an explanation, but if the TWR story is true then my opinion stands. And I highly doubt that AG or Spec would come out with "Yeah, sorry, our bad. We acted like assholes, sorry..."
     
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    Exactly
     
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    i cant make out the frame but the fork.... kinda looks like an 831.
    http://instagram.com/p/UK1bjMRi0Q/

    it looks more like a ticket than a p3 BUT i do have a loi to disclose my speculations.
     
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    If Gwin disappears I suggest someone look in Martin Whiteley's basement.
     
  7. norbar

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    So I guess he lost his helmet sponsor? Speculate!
     
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    Brook has had an old green Evil hard tail for years that he rags around on from time to time when he is back home in NZ. dont get to excited.
     
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    same bike. begining of last year.
     
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    martin whiteley gives me the same shivers as johan museeuw....
     
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    Anyone have anymore details on this one yet? At any rate, it's thrilling news. ;)
     
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    If you look at the roadie circus everybody has asthma. They get this attested by their team medics so they can use asthma pharmaceuticals. On healthy persons they are enhancing the oxygen uptake. Some kind of "legal" doping.
     
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    Fvcking idiots
     
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    Like I said, if the other side of the story shows something completely different, I'll retract my statement, but there is little reason not to think what TWR said was true. The other possible explaination would be that Spec told Gwin to act like he did, and then I'm guessing neither of them are going to come forward.

    Sorry, I guess it's just me having a hard time accepting that the sport I've come to like for being open and Bro is chainging into the classic factory racing where teams are rivals and not buddies off the circuit as well.. Heading for the olympics 2018 perhaps?
     
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    Yeah but if it's that much of an echancement wouldn't it make your fitness somewhat normal if you really have astma? Though I suppose it may not be super healthy if you use the stronger meds.
     
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    Well, Eliot has real asthma:
    http://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Eliot-Jackson-Retires-from-World-Cup-Downhill-Racing,424

     
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    It's not that much of enhancement. It's just the tiny bit, maybe fractures of a second, that gives someone an advantage within a leveled field.

    If you suffer from real asthma, in most cases you will not get as strong as a healthy person. Depends on the severity.

    No doubt about that. Was just referring to norbars statement about the norwegian ski team.
     
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    I used to work in that field (asthma) and I'm surprised he can't find an alternative therapy that is not illegal. It seems strange that they'd have banned everything. I mean I assume we are mostly talking about albuterol rescue inhalers and there are other pathways for treating asthma. Of course I was never involved in anything where they were used for performance enhancement, but I'd be surprised if Salmeterol would have a performance enhancing effect on people without asthma. Just like how Viagra (used to work on that one too) only enhances performance for people who actually have ED.

    Anyway, bummer about Elliot, I only discovered him as a rider this summer, and I was really blown away by how good he is. I had no idea.
     
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    I posted it only for information.
    Sorry to hear that. We'll miss your riding.
     
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    given how whacked our US health insurance is... it may have just been lack of access to proper treatment. Racers are (unfortunately) not know for having access to good insurance.
     
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    Can't you just pay for your own and worst case scenario buy meds in canada and do medical turism? For A few hundret $/ Year I get really good medical insurance that covers any potential surgery/othropedic visits.
     
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    paying for you own is extremely cost prohibitive here unfortunately (ie - not having a group plan through work). we're talking a few hundred a month. its absolutely outrageous.
     
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    A few days and now everyone on Ridemonkey isn't just an engineer but also a doctor and a lawyer?

    From Eliot via Vital:

    Hey everyone, I know asthma is a pretty common illness that can be treated but as far as I know it can't be cured and what I had was a little different. Believe me, my family and I tried every avenue possible to be able to get this fixed, not racing was the last thing I wanted to do.

    From the end of 2010 I went the the best doctors in the country(some of the leading pulmonary doctors in the world), I took every kind of test you can think of( blood, vo2 max, etc) I was on the strongest medicine that the UCI would allow, I took extra time off before and after the races to help calm it down, my team manager and my mechanic were at the bottom and the top of the track with inhalers, I tried vegan, non-dairy, glutten free, and a few other diets I cant remember haha, unfortunately a lot of the breathing techniques go out the window when you're at 190 heart rate but yes I did try a few of those also. I worked with my trainer to find things for my warm up and my off season training that didn't effect me as bad, etc etc etc.

    Even after all of that, nothing seemed to help, not even a little. There are a lot of remedies that work for regular asthmatics that don't work for people with exercise induced asthma, like me, and even less that work for "world class" athletes that are training 6-7 days a week. At some point it wasnt worth it for me to come down the hill, cough until I couldnt breath anymore, throw up, and then lay in bed for a week haha. I don't have unlimited funds to keep trying to figure out what is wrong with me and even if I did what would they say? Ya know. If i'm not racing I'm 100% healthy.

    I don't mean this to sound sad or anything, just want to let you guys know I'm not just quitting because I'm too lazy to try to fix it haha. I love racing the world cups and meeting new people around the world. It's been my life for 3 years and it makes me happier than anything else. You'll still see me riding with my friends and at crankworx and sea otter hanging out and doing the events for fun. I don't have any plans to do any freeride or big mountain stuff but you never know!
     
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  29. monkeyfcuker

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    That sucks Elliot can't imagine anything more depressing than having the skills but health issues causing you to drop out.
     
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    and we didn't even stay in a holiday in express last night.
     
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    the best i can gather is that people view it as socialist, which is therefore the devil.
     
  32. norbar

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    That's a bummer. From that it looks like it's a real PITA what he had. To be honest It's just sucks someone with such potential can't race. Best luck to him.
     
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    Haha, oops! I just edited my post as not to cause an argument, felt it was also a pointless comment by myself, you got in there before the edit.
     
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    when I was a kid my allergies were so bad that for a while the dr's thought i had asthma. apparently i was borderline, and was using an inhaler from time to time when it flared up. sh*tty stuff that I wouldn't wish on anyone.
     
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    It may be a strange question but why the hell so many people have astma in the US? I know very few people here have it. Maybe 2 friends tops. Very mild cases too.
     
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    Just looking at the first 'cause' is reason enough to understand why a lot of people might have it. Then you get to the 'expressing strong emotion' part, and remember football fans at a game and it all makes sense.
     
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    You claim US of A is full of dust and molds?
     
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    Huge bummer about Elliot. Seeing him roll down and huck the **** out of the huge step down in Hafjell on his first practice run was insane, boy has got style for miles.

    And of course we are all engineers, lawyers and doctors, who else could afford to pay the insane, inverse proportional price-per-kilo parts we must have?
     
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