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2013 Santa Cruz Nomad carbon frame

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by denjen, Jan 17, 2015.

  1. denjen

    denjen Certified Lift Whore

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    Found a brand new 2013 Nomad frame that I am thinking about getting. I know its not the newest and greatest, but the price is to good not to jump on. Anyone have any long term opinions on the frame? Good, bad or ugly any info helps since there is no way to do a test ride. Looking to replace my 2012 Stumpjumper EVO with something I can take anywhere and enjoy.

    Thanks for any help.
     

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    I like the stumpjumper evos better.

    A lot better. Why can't you take it anywhere? They're pretty much the same travel and better geo on the stumpy.
     
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    I had one of those Nomads and while the construction and quality is great, the geo is a bit wonky. Unless you have an extremely short reach then going up a frame size is a necessity. I'd recommend seeking out something like a Yeti SB66 if you're looking for a deal on a frame with great geo.
     
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    I miss my 2013 stumpy that I built up to copy an evo. I am now looking to find a stumpy or santa Cruz 5010 to get back to a full suspension trail bike.

    I don't think I'd go from the stumpy to the nomad.
     
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    they are durable as hell. i have a friend who's beat the piss outta one. sc's do tend to be a bit short if you have a long torso. i'm sold on vpp tho.
     
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    That's about the only thing the nomad has going for it. Spec carbon trail frames tend to be a little breaky.

    I'd still rather ride one than a nomad2. That's probably like top 5 of weirdest riding bikes around. Weird as in "didn't these guys ride this before producing it?"
     
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    They've been making the nomad for what, ten years? And they still can't figure out the geo? Christ the bike industry is pathetic.
     
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  8. Udi

    Udi RM Chief Ornithologist: “I Brake for Birds”

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    They can't figure out leverage curves on any of their shorter travel (read: non-v10) bikes either.

    SC are pretty incompetent at linkages and the Nomad (even the 2015) is unfortunately no exception. For a laugh, I've come up with better leverage curves than their short travel bikes using one pivot (no linkages whatsoever), and not surprisingly so has ironhorse - presumably under dw. If anyone has a copy of linkage it's worth pulling up the old Yakuza Kumicho and noting the lack of initial stroke digression compared to a modern high-dollar VPP bike. I'd avoid the Nomad, and for reference Intense (again, for non-DH bikes) is just as bad.

    If you don't care about suspension performance that much and the price is great then sure, they seem to be structurally great and reasonably light, but generally it's not hard to do better than VPP.

    Under the right designer, one pivot can do many things - and under the wrong one, many pivots can do... well, not much.

    /vpprealitycheck
     
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    what is ideal linkage? examples for single pivot frames?
     
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    Wow, not much love for the Nomad. Thanks for all of the honest answers.

    I can and have taken the Evo everywhere. From XC on my home trails to weekends at Snowshoe it has done everything I have asked it to do. I got it 3 years ago and was looking for a change, was hoping the Nomad would fit the bill. I may have to keep looking.
     
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    The geo on the new one is pretty dialed IMHO.

    I just wasn't crazy about the short front end, high BB, and slack seat angle on the old one. It wasn't as unrideable as some here would have you believe.
     
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    I was going to say while it isnt my cup of tea one of the fastest dudes I know rides one...he destroys rough stuff on it..
     
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    I like the geo on the Yetis they're blowing out right now a lot better.
     
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    Get a new(er) enduro- whatever wheel size you like. Climbs as well as an evo (which is what I came off of) and feels less flexy and monster trucks stuff better.

    I've already snapped five I beam saddles on it from seated take-offs and lanndings, and haven't heard a whimper out of the frame ;)
     
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    ^this.
    I'd save up for a new nomad though, I'm loving mine, geek leverage curve haters/DW knobs slobbers be damned. Pedals great when not e-riding, slays the downs and they finally got the geo/fit dialed (xl fits me @ 6'4 perfectly.

    Then again I like my Schwalbe tires and trust my enve bar more than a rebranded Taiwan catalog alu bar so take my comments with a grain of salt.
     
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    No that's the nomad2 with all that long chainstay, short front end, stiff top end, blow through the midstroke crap that some of their bikes had.

    The geo on the new one is the shit. It's got a bit of a wallowy midstroke that makes pumping transitions kind of pointless but the geometry is pretty awesome. I rode one almost every day for a month between tahoe and whistler (because I was going to buy it) and the frame layout is about as good as it gets.







    ..........on the internet..............I mean I rode it on the internet
     
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    thoughts on 5010? Anyone?
     
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    Pretty short travel, no?
     
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    the few people i know who thought about it have all gone bronson over 5010.
     
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    What they say is pretty much in line with my two friends who rides it.

    Not sure where you are riding but its not all of use who needs more travel. Lighter shorter travel bike has its advantages too.
     
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    With out looking at any numbers I feel like they are describing what I liked about my stumpjumper FSR. Low slung, slack ish, playful, fun.

    As for where I will ride this, pretty much everywhere I wouldn't ride my road bike, or my DH bike.

    Definitely one to consider.
     
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    I ride a 2014 GT Sensor Carbon 140mm front and 130 rear travel. Its not the bike that is holding me back and I am happy I did not go for the Force with 150mm travel.
     
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    I got a little bit of riding in on a solo. I liked it better but not really for what denjen is looking for.

    Just ride that stumpjumper evo till it breaks man. Them's good bikes.
     
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    :stupid:
     
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    HAB Chelsea from Seattle

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    I demoed a 951 Evo a few months ago and couldn't believe how much I hated it. Suspension just wallowed like crazy through the mid stroke, then hit a wall. It was the loudest, creakiest POS I'd ridden in forever too, though it's hard to know how much of that to chalk up the the bike being clapped out and how much it was just inherently shitty.
     
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    Sounds like just about every Intense VPP frame I've ever ridden, new or otherwise.
     
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    funny, doesn't sound a thing like my uzzi, which does not wallow and which i've beat the piss out of on every trail i can find for the past five years, including plenty of rocky, choppy, blown out stuff.
     
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    It's not.
     
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    I was referring more to:
    "Sounds like just about every Intense VPP frame I've ever ridden, new or otherwise." than HAB's comments about the 951 evo.
     
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    I think for me it would work as I don't always need the 140-160mm travel range.

    I wish I had never sold my stumpjumper looking back on it. I may just buy another one used.
     
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    They've all got that weird hammock leverage rate (except for the 951 which just has half of it). Some of them are more shallow than others. Those tend to be the better riding ones. I haven't ridden them all but I've ridden a few of them. They don't all suck.

    Some of them REALLY suck. I mean "are plush bro".
     
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    3 seconds of googling turned this up. It's... not good.

     
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    A 2013 Nomad has a short wheelbase, short reach and high bb. The Yeti SBs have long wheelbases, reach #s and low BBs. They're being blown out by Jenson and Competitive/Backcountry right now.