Yah i made a bunch.
2015+ fox 36 harsh
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In case anyone is interested MRP is now offering the negative spring conversion without ramp control for a LOT less money.
http://www.mrpbike.com/shop#!/FulFill™-Air-Spring-Conversion-for-Fox-36/p/84443343/category=0
http://www.mrpbike.com/shop#!/FulFill™-Air-Spring-Conversion-for-Fox-36/p/84443343/category=0
The problem with the MRP system is you reuse the OEM part that causes all the stiction. Sure you can add some extra air pressure in the negative chamber, but then after a certain point, you will start losing travel.
You guys are slackers. I've got probably 8 rides on mine. I changed my fork from a (stupid fucking useless, seriously fox, just let it die) fit4 damper to an RC2 at the same time so had a lot of fiddlin to do.
It definitely works better than stock and I didn't even really have a bad one. I do feel like it pulls the travel down just a tad. But yeah if you've got one of the fucked 36 forks that wants to give your hands stress fractures, send 92S-ER your first born.
It definitely works better than stock and I didn't even really have a bad one. I do feel like it pulls the travel down just a tad. But yeah if you've got one of the fucked 36 forks that wants to give your hands stress fractures, send 92S-ER your first born.
Very nice! Was there enough wall thickness?
This is like when I explained how I got into a bad spin one time and someone asked me, "were you able to get out of it?".
barely
Thick enough I got a few threads in there.
I had to space out the zerk with some washers just for some extra piece of mind for the stanchion clearance.
I might do some schrader valves I can back with a thin nut. You know how soft that magnesium alloy is. I'm a little nervous of knocking them.
Those bleed valves on the float 40s should be on every fork made. I just did a 2 hour ride this afternoon and there was all kinds of air in there. I've been having to burp the lowers like every three rides. It's kind of nuts.
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That thing both burps and bleeds? Sweet!
It's like a trailer park chick on her cycle.
Is there anything wrong with burping the fork by using a zip tie that I've sanded down thin and sliding into the seals? I make sure not to push dirt in.
^You'll shoot your eye out kid.
Not really. It's just a pain in the ass and I got tired of bending and breaking zip ties trying to do it that way. I've been just pulling the nuts on the bottom (heh) of my lowers and pushing the rods in. All much more annoying than just hitting the poot button.
Not really. It's just a pain in the ass and I got tired of bending and breaking zip ties trying to do it that way. I've been just pulling the nuts on the bottom (heh) of my lowers and pushing the rods in. All much more annoying than just hitting the poot button.
So you just flip bike over, loosen foot nuts, tap with rubber mallet? Both sides? I can't visualize the internals of a 36 well enough to know that pressure could be released both at the seals and at the foot nuts. But I'm interested to see what I have in there.
Also, someone like OneUp should make a seal burper that works better than a zip tie. I've never been able to ram one in there but have not tried sanding one down to be sharp.
Also, someone like OneUp should make a seal burper that works better than a zip tie. I've never been able to ram one in there but have not tried sanding one down to be sharp.
Yeah on the spring side there's just that 10mm black nut, and the 15mm bigger nut that fits around the bottom of the damper rod. Loosen each, light tap with a rubber mallet. On the damper side, I usually put that black cover on the nut just be sure I'm not hitting the rebound knob pin.
There's not air at the lowers and at the seal. Those are each end of the same open space. One or the other does it.
There's not air at the lowers and at the seal. Those are each end of the same open space. One or the other does it.
Do 36's have crush washers around the bolts like the Pikes? I'm assuming not since you were doing the nut job (heh) repeatedly.
Yup. They have crush washers there.
Huh, I guess I thought those things (at least the plastic ones in RS forks) were a one-n-done deal. When me and Subopt used to do the lowers service on our Pike's, we always replaced the crush washers. I'm guessing it wasn't mandatory, but since they're cheap and easy to replace once you have the lowers off, RS recommended to go ahead and replace them.
you are supposed to replace them, but I'm not sure how many times they can be reused before death. It would be great if you could rejuvenate them like you can sometimes do with copper. Or if they just sold them in bulk for like 50 at a time. Paying $1.50 a pop is kind of stupid.
Mine don't. The bottom of the rods are shaped and fit into a seat in the lowers.
You sure the crush washers didn't just stick to the footnuts when you took them off? Mine both have crush washers.
I just had it apart yesterday. Both rod ends are shaped in a way that there's at least one flat surface that looks like it seats into the lowers. If it's what I'm envisioning in the lowers and based on how they feel rotating and locking, there's no need for them.
The spring side, note the flat surface on the gold.
https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb13326966/p4pb13326966.jpg
Damper side, flat surface facing like 1 o'clock
https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb10976476/p5pb10976476.jpg
I've had plenty of forks that use them (including previous fox forks) and know very well the joy in spinning a rod over crush washers for an hour trying to get the things to bite. This feels different when you seat them. And it's a way better design.
The spring side, note the flat surface on the gold.
https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb13326966/p4pb13326966.jpg
Damper side, flat surface facing like 1 o'clock
https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb10976476/p5pb10976476.jpg
I've had plenty of forks that use them (including previous fox forks) and know very well the joy in spinning a rod over crush washers for an hour trying to get the things to bite. This feels different when you seat them. And it's a way better design.
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I run into shit so hard I've got an impression of those shapes dented into my magnesium yo.
Maybe there are some in there. Like trump's business acumen, there just doesn't seem to be any evidence for it.
Maybe there are some in there. Like trump's business acumen, there just doesn't seem to be any evidence for it.
Not on this diagram
http://www.ridefox.com/img/help/page753-KIXW/Air-Spring-Assy-FLOAT-NA-36.jpg
Or this one
http://www.ridefox.com/img/help/page753-KIXW/2015-36-RC2-Cartridge-Complete.jpg
I win.
neener neener
http://www.ridefox.com/img/help/page753-KIXW/Air-Spring-Assy-FLOAT-NA-36.jpg
Or this one
http://www.ridefox.com/img/help/page753-KIXW/2015-36-RC2-Cartridge-Complete.jpg
I win.
neener neener
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Does air side usually have more air?
@HAB
I thought you were talking about the shitty ones on the insides of the lowers like rockshox and marzocchi used. The ones that HAD to be under load to keep the rods from spinning when you put the nuts back on. That's why I was babbling about flat surfaces and stuff.
That external thing that makes no difference whatsoever to anything when burping a fork? Yeah, I got those.
I guess I was thinking of spine washers.
https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1pJTdKVXXXXXtXXXXq6xXFXXX1/gear-spine-washer.jpg
Where the fuck's my angle grinder!!??
I thought you were talking about the shitty ones on the insides of the lowers like rockshox and marzocchi used. The ones that HAD to be under load to keep the rods from spinning when you put the nuts back on. That's why I was babbling about flat surfaces and stuff.
That external thing that makes no difference whatsoever to anything when burping a fork? Yeah, I got those.
I guess I was thinking of spine washers.
https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1pJTdKVXXXXXtXXXXq6xXFXXX1/gear-spine-washer.jpg
Where the fuck's my angle grinder!!??
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Damper side. By a long shot.
Ohhhhhh. Yeah, 36s don't have those.@HAB
I thought you were talking about the shitty ones on the insides of the lowers like rockshox and marzocchi used. The ones that HAD to be under load to keep the rods from spinning when you put the nuts back on. That's why I was babbling about flat surfaces and stuff.
That external thing that makes no difference whatsoever to anything when burping a fork? Yeah, I got those.
Where the fuck's my angle grinder!!??
Mine don't
Wow i always thought negative spring leaked into lowers. Why do you think damper side has more air?
Yeah I burped just the spring side a few times and then realized I needed to do the other side.
Maybe the smaller chamber on the spring side pushes air out easier at bottom out? Which would mean there are regular fork farts I'm missing out on hearing. Kinda bummed about that prospect.
It's certainly no air spring specific thing though, I had to burp my coil 40 too after two days of riding this past weekend. Like I said earlier in this thread, I've never had a fork of any make, any spring type that doesn't need to be burped occasionally.
Maybe the smaller chamber on the spring side pushes air out easier at bottom out? Which would mean there are regular fork farts I'm missing out on hearing. Kinda bummed about that prospect.
It's certainly no air spring specific thing though, I had to burp my coil 40 too after two days of riding this past weekend. Like I said earlier in this thread, I've never had a fork of any make, any spring type that doesn't need to be burped occasionally.
I actually suspect that it's building a mild vacuum in the lowers, instead of positive pressure. Next time you take the fork apart, try this: hammer the spring side shaft in with the fork still pressurized, then let all the air out, then take the top cap off the spring side, all without touching the damper side. The fork will probably suck itself shorter.
Vacuums don't cause forks to only get 60% of their travel if you don't burp them. When I say 'need to burp' that's what I'm talking about. It's not just some emotional want that comes over me during romantic sunsets.
They also don't squirt outwards through freedom nipples™
Yes I'm trademarking. Don't even step or I'll sick weagle's lawyers on you.
I know what you mean though. A vacuum makes more sense. But that ain't it.
They also don't squirt outwards through freedom nipples™
Yes I'm trademarking. Don't even step or I'll sick weagle's lawyers on you.
I know what you mean though. A vacuum makes more sense. But that ain't it.
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